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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:54 am to
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:54 am to
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Ever find the case where one division benefits more from having weaker owners?


The one i play is a non-keeper league.

It was started back in 1997, and grew to 16 teams by 2002. Everyone lived in Baton Rouge. But then, people started getting real jobs, families, kids, etc.

We ended up creating a 20 man, 2 conference league. Ten owners live in Baton Rouge (or near it) and have a live draft. The other ten owners live across the country (in fact across the world now), and they draft online.

I'm telling you all of this to come to this point. Which conference do you think is more competitive? It's the one that did the live draft, obviously. They all still hang out and talk shite nonstop. The other league is changing diapers and shite. Once their team is out of it, you don't hear much from them.

In other words, I think that because everyone involved in the TDXX leagues are pretty active, the competitive balance shouldn't be compromised.

However, I am a little concerned about a couple of owners not being active once their team is out of it. I can't stand it when teams dont set a lineup each week. It takes two fricking minutes.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:54 am to
I don't see any of our owners doing that.
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:55 am to
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I don't see any of our owners doing that.


I can.

Hell, I believe McCain quit changing his lineup in TDFL one year.

Posted by Toula
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:56 am to
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i dont thnk that would be a problem if we were selective and charged say 80-100 per head


agree..and you'd be a fan of 2-10 team leagues? teams would be stacked.

i'm down with whatever..just trying to play devils advocate on some things.

My stance with fantasy has always been everyone should have to compete for the same players (FA and draft), have access to same owners to trade, and have a fair/balanced schedule.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:58 am to
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However, I am a little concerned about a couple of owners not being active once their team is out of it. I can't stand it when teams dont set a lineup each week. It takes two fricking minutes.


Every league faces the same problems. We created two things to fight this:

1. Regular season high score pool of $150. Even if your team is out of it, there is still a chance for you to catch lightning in a bottle and have the highest score of the season.
2. The teams who do not make the playoffs are entered into the Toilet Bowl. We have a 12 team league with 6 in the real playoffs and 6 in the Toilet Bowl. In the Toilet Bowl, the two worst teams get a bye, and the teams which lose in each round advances. The losingest team in the end has to pony up an additional $50.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:58 am to
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agree..and you'd be a fan of 2-10 team leagues? teams would be stacked.



or we could try and find 24 teams and do 12 n 12

quote:

My stance with fantasy has always been everyone should have to compete for the same players (FA and draft), have access to same owners to trade, and have a fair/balanced schedule.



i see the point in this definitely.

But i cant say that a huge pot$$ where the 2 best teams meet in the championship in a league with 20 or 24 owners overall doesn't intrigue me.

Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 10:59 am to
Another option....use the first season to rank the teams. Top ten teams go in one conference. Bottom ten teams go in another conference.

At the end of the season, the bottom four teams in conference A get moved to conference B, and the top four teams from conference B get moved to conference A.


No keepers.

Of course, there is a lot of details to sort out, but I've always been curious on how leagues do that.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:00 am to
We could easily get that many good owners. DAT boys
Posted by Honkus
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:01 am to
like EPL relegation style? interesting
This post was edited on 7/14/11 at 11:02 am
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:02 am to
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like EPL relegation style? interesting


Yeah, I once read about a huge league that did that. Let me see if I can find the article.
Posted by Honkus
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:04 am to
We are considering this n my main league, bc it's so competitive & there's a longstanding wait list. not sure we'd do 4, maybe bottom 2 get demoted
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:04 am to
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We could easily get that many good owners. DAT boys




yep. though we'd have to be selective with the DAT boys.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:05 am to
Karma is notorious for checking out or not even setting his line-up when he's contending.

Bottom line, let's not get too big (24) because then you are going to start pulling in unknowns who could be bad owners. I say limit it to 20 (10/10) and keep it all in the TDXX group if we can - we know they compete and keep up better than the avg schlub. Also no keeps.
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:06 am to
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Another option....use the first season to rank the teams. Top ten teams go in one conference. Bottom ten teams go in another conference


it's an idea.

I fear we are getting in the weeds and over complicating this

24 teams, 2 player pools, no keeper--Auction draft every year

Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:07 am to
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Karma is notorious for checking out or not even setting his line-up when he's contending. Bottom line, let's not get too big (24) because then you are going to start pulling in unknowns who could be bad owners. I say limit it to 20 (10/10) and keep it all in the TDXX group if we can - we know they compete and keep up better than the avg schlub. Also no keeps


The good thing about the DAT league is that we can get opinions from Honk, Barry, and Toula on how active a poster is. I don't mind that, if we deem it necessary.
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:07 am to
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Hell, your four keepers will end up being better than mine, and I was in the SuperBowl last year


We probably have the worst two keepers sets
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:08 am to
i dont think we have to keep it strictly to TDXX owners. a lot of people that dont play baseball or basketball do play football

and lets face it, there are prob 6-8 decent owners in TDXX leagues and the rest are just meh.
Posted by reddman
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:08 am to
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We probably have the worst two keepers sets


I was looking at that earlier, and I think you are right.


Posted by Toula
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:09 am to
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The good thing about the DAT league is that we can get opinions from Honk, Barry, and Toula on how active a poster


there's easily 5-6 good, active owners.

Posted by rondo
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Posted on 7/14/11 at 11:11 am to
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and lets face it, there are prob 6-8 decent owners in TDXX leagues and the rest are just meh.


Am I in dat number?
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