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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:33 pm to
im so confused right now
Posted by barry
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:41 pm to
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im so confused right now


+1

You just just set up something PCT and then people can leave if they want. I think you know enough to satisfy the people.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:45 pm to
How is it confusing? I read the same thing that you all did. I copied and pasted.

Tell me what you are confused about and I will explain it.

We still have another month before we draft. There's no reason to panic.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:46 pm to
agreed, hate voting on so many things.

vote is only needed if there is an obvious split.


i thought all these things were set when i joined now its like we are voting on everything all over
Posted by cwill
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:49 pm to
I haven't really been able to keep up, but I've heard that the league avg score is going to be against all 24 teams and not just within the conf. Seems to defeat the point of a conf.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:51 pm to
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agreed, hate voting on so many things.


Pretty much everything that we have voted on has been by request. I thought for sure that we were having bottom feeder penalties, but Gyno said that we shouldn't have them.

I think sometimes people really just look to complicate things more than they have to. If you have a question on the scoring options, just ask. I have no problem clarifying although they seem pretty cut and dry to me.

Posted by barry
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:56 pm to
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I have no problem clarifying although they seem pretty cut and dry to me.


The only thing is the cross mingling of the leagues for scoring. I was under the assumption they were gonna be run as two separate leagues.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 2:58 pm to
well i understood the original scoring that we had talked about

this +1 thing is confusing.

You play a singular opponent each week, then you have an addition win or loss for your scores against the whole league.


I understand that.

I guess my 2 questions would be is the only reason to have 2 conferences is so we can split the player pool?


And when the playoff comes, are we going to play H2H and have a +1 against the rest of the playoff teams?


if that is the format for playoffs, it seems like it could be problematic to me. How exactly do you determine winners? Then the next problem would be tiebreakers and such, Am I right?


seems like there would be multiple teams after the 1st week of the playoffs with potential to be 2-0, or 1-1. What will break ties?


i could be totally off. I really need to sit down and write it out, but off the top of my head these are my concerns



Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:03 pm to
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I understand that.

I guess my 2 questions would be is the only reason to have 2 conferences is so we can split the player pool?


Yeah, pretty much.

quote:

And when the playoff comes, are we going to play H2H and have a +1 against the rest of the playoff teams?


Playoff matchups can be edited, so I can take the highest scorers from each conference and advance them to the next round.

quote:

Then the next problem would be tiebreakers and such, Am I right?


Total points scored is the tie breaker.


Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:04 pm to
My understanding in forming the league of 24 in order of ideas:

1. Scoring would be changed to league avg in order to eliminate some luck.

2. Expand to 24 teams, two conf. Each conf competes separately and then the conf winners play a super bowl.

3. Scrap keepers.

Since that time, eveything has gone haywire and we haven't simply expanded and altered our original league, we have completely scrapped it and started from scratch.

Why is bottom feeder even up for vote - that was an established rule?

Why do we have conferences if eveyone competes against everybody (all 24 teams)?

Ryan quit, why are we voting on the possibility of keepers?

And, why, if we have 2 conf, can't two teams in separate conf keep the same player?

This post was edited on 7/22/11 at 3:07 pm
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:09 pm to
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this +1 thing is confusing.




I'm a little confused to. I prefer either play against everyone each week or league average.



Here's how the plus one works:

You play an opponent WITHIN your conference every week, just like in head to head. If you win, you get a win. If you lose, you get a loss.

The difference is that the top 12 scoring teams in the league for that week get a win for being in the top 12, and the bottom 12 scorers get a loss.

So, if you lose to the highest scoring team in the league, for example, but you are still 1 of the top 12 scoring teams, you would get a loss and a win. It's possible that you could win because your opponent sucked, but get a loss too because you had a weak performance.

Personally, I think that is the best way to do it. Yeah you are involving the other conference, but to me that's kind of cool. Plus you still have your inter-conference matchup that you are trying to win.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:10 pm to
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cwill


quit whining, dude.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:11 pm to
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too long, did not read


Aren't you a lawyer. That's comforting.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:11 pm to
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Playoff matchups can be edited, so I can take the highest scorers from each conference and advance them to the next round.




why not just make this the format anyway, for playoffs?



once in the playoffs, is the +1 thing going to be between the whole league still?


just seems like once the playoffs hit, we need to keep everything within conference in order to determine the 2 reps from each Conf.
This post was edited on 7/22/11 at 3:13 pm
Posted by barry
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:13 pm to
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Not any longer. At least in approximately 10 days.


Fo real? What are you gonna do?
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:14 pm to
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And, why, if we have 2 conf, can't two teams in separate conf keep the same player?


The conferences will be re-drawn year to year.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:14 pm to
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Since that time, eveything has gone haywire and we haven't simply expanded and altered our original league, we have completely scrapped it and started from scratch.


I didn't set up the league, I didn't even have access to RT until last night. I have been busting my arse on my freaking iPhone trying to get this stuff done.

I was under the impression that we could do it by conference. Redd told us yesterday that it was the entire league.

Instead of bitching, I am looking for ways that really aren't too far from what we origionally tried to do. Really these solutions are still 10x better than standard leagues....the sky is not falling.

Worst case scenario, we set up two different leagues and the winners play in the finals. It would cost more, but a bottom feeder would help cover that cost.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:15 pm to
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Taking a job in San Antonio area doing some safety work on a chesapeke energy pipeline. Career change.


Welcome to the Oil Field! There is good money to be made in compliance, is that what you will be doing? Its full of lawyers.
This post was edited on 7/22/11 at 3:16 pm
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:16 pm to
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Playoff matchups can be edited, so I can take the highest scorers from each conference and advance them to the next round.






why not just make this the format anyway, for playoffs?


That;s the plan

quote:

just seems like once the playoffs hit, we need to keep everything within conference in order to determine the 2 reps from each Conf.


agreed. at the end of the day, you are being ranked by your performance in conference. top 6 from each conference move on. yeah, you will have to outscore some of the other conference's teams in the regular season, but at the end of the day the best teams are going to move on.
This post was edited on 7/22/11 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 7/22/11 at 3:23 pm to
see, not that I dont like the +1 thing in the regular season


but imo the format should be the same for the playoffs too. and i don't think the +1 will be conducive to playoffs


just my opinion.


really the singular best way to determine the best team is total points, whether it be the regular season or postseason.
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