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Should I drop James Washington to pickup jamison crowder?

Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:39 pm
Posted by co_t84
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2013
356 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:39 pm
I really want to get him, but I hate dropping people this early. These are my bench players:

James washington
Jaylen Samuels
Will fuller
Guice
Devin Singletary
Curtis Samuel
Mecole Hardman

Really don't want to drop any of these dudes but crowder looks like a ppr gem. Thoughts?
Posted by bamabenny
Member since Nov 2009
15746 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:47 pm to
Crowder just got 17 targets.

That doesn't happen by accident. I'd pick him up over Washington and Fuller easily.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:55 pm to
Id do it
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74424 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 9:56 pm to
Crowder > all of those WRs
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
37013 posts
Posted on 9/10/19 at 10:05 pm to
I'm trying to grab crowder in leagues that he is available. I have no idea what the addition of Thomas will do for him though. But I love the fact he got 17 targets.
Posted by nsquid
Thibodaux, LA
Member since Jan 2007
132 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:29 am to
Enunwa is done for the season. The Thomas addition makes sense now, and shouldn't affect Crowder too much I wouldn't think.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 9:35 am to
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Washington and Fuller easily.



Nah bruh. There are several on that bench worse than Fuller. Crowder probably hit his ceiling in week 1.

Will fuller can do in 1 catch what it takes Crowder to do in 6, and he typically does it in every game he plays in.

With Deshaun Watson- Fuller's career stat line average is;

4.1 catches, 71.1 yards, 1.0 touchdowns. Averaging 17.1 fantasy points per game. Obviously his health is the red flag, but GTFO that you want Crowder over that
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 9:43 am
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74424 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:08 am to
quote:


4.1 catches, 71.1 yards, 1.0 touchdowns. Averaging 17.1 fantasy points per game. Obviously his health is the red flag, but GTFO that you want Crowder over that


On how many targets

kenny stills and duke johnson now stealing targets

Gase slot WRs

32 y/o Welker in 2013 - 73/778/10 in 13 games, 16.2 ppr per game
Jarvis in 2017 - 112/987/9 , 16.3 ppr per game

huge target shares, RZ looks, Darnold's trust incoming
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:22 am to
Crowder catching over 100 this year.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
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Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:31 am to
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On how many targets

Kenny Stills and Duke Johnson now stealing targets


How is Duke Johnson's target share expected to be vastly different than Lamar Millers? Fuller doesn't need a lot of targets. He never has, he plays with the biggest target monster in the NFL.

quote:

32 y/o Welker in 2013 - 73/778/10 in 13 games, 16.2 ppr per game
Jarvis in 2017 - 112/987/9 , 16.3 ppr per game


If we're going to put things into context, I see one guy that played with Peyton Manning on a 13-3 football team and one guy that's just a better football player than Jamison Crowder.

What they do both have in common, is that they both averaged less PPR PPg than Will fuller does with Deshaun Watson.

This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 10:32 am
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74424 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:44 am to
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How is Duke Johnson's target share expected to be vastly different than Lamar Millers?


There's a lot of data on lamar miller, it tells us he saw 5+ targets in only 13% of his games in HOU. Duke sees 5 right off the bat with some designed to get him the ball. BOB has been talking him up as a pass catcher.

quote:

Fuller doesn't need a lot of targets. He never has, he plays with the biggest target monster in the NFL.


i'll answer

67 targets in 11 games w/ a 67% catch rate, which is poor. He's targeted downfield on low percentage throws so he actually does need targets considering the hit rate.


Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
39974 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 10:53 am to
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67 targets in 11 games w/ a 67% catch rate, which is poor. He's targeted downfield on low percentage throws


None of that is going to change man. Texans backs got 62 targets a year ago. You're pointing out all these low volume metrics and i'm pointing out that despite that he's still averaging more PPG than the two guys you're referencing. If anything it signals natural progression for Fuller in the volume category is inevitable.

Hell, we've already seen progression last year. He averaged over 6 targets/gm and had a better catch rate than Hopkins did.


*I own Will Fuller in 0 leagues, but my only gripe is his injury history. His production is elite. His career average with Watson extrapolated over a 16 week season puts him at WR10 last year in PPR formats. Ahead of Stefon Diggs who posted a 102/1021/9 statline. You getting that from Crowder?
This post was edited on 9/11/19 at 11:02 am
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74424 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 11:14 am to
Fuller's past production and PPG with a 30% target share - doesnt matter now. If you believe that continues, great, throw him out there every week as a top 10 WR

Welker and Landry's past PPG doesn't even matter, but Welker's 9 targets per game and Landry's 10 targets a game running slot in a Gase offense tells me thats a position that's going to lend to a heavy target share to Crowder who just saw 40% share W1

quote:

Ahead of Stefon Diggs who posted a 102/1021/9 statline. You getting that from Crowder?


Cant predict the TDs but that's the exact type of yardage and yards crowder can flirt with if healthy. He's performed in WAS with a much smaller target share. He's a good WR
Posted by co_t84
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2013
356 posts
Posted on 9/11/19 at 12:49 pm to
Thanks for the input, guys. And everybody can relax! I kept Fuller AND picked up Crowder. They're both on the bench now.
I dropped Washington. Pittsburgh just doesn't look like the same team without Bell and Brown.
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