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League Trade Possible Issue - Need Board Opinion
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:37 am
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:37 am
Team A makes Playoffs.
Team B is bottom of league - out of play offs.
Team A wants a stronger RB for playoffs. Playing for now rather than thinking keeper. Yes this is a keeper league, with max of two keepers.
Team A offers Team B C. Thompson (Wash. - who is on IR) and J. Williams (GB) for Team B's L. McCoy (Buffalo).
Our rules are basically that any trade goes through unless highly unfair or collusion. Part of me thinks this trade is fair because he is offering a potential keeper to Team B.
The only way I see Team B doing this trade legitimately is if he keeps one or both of those RBs for next year.
Thoughts?
Team B is bottom of league - out of play offs.
Team A wants a stronger RB for playoffs. Playing for now rather than thinking keeper. Yes this is a keeper league, with max of two keepers.
Team A offers Team B C. Thompson (Wash. - who is on IR) and J. Williams (GB) for Team B's L. McCoy (Buffalo).
Our rules are basically that any trade goes through unless highly unfair or collusion. Part of me thinks this trade is fair because he is offering a potential keeper to Team B.
The only way I see Team B doing this trade legitimately is if he keeps one or both of those RBs for next year.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:52 am to HailToTheChiz
First off, you should have a trade deadline, even in a keeper league. I understand the thinking that since team's are playing for next year it'll stop people just giving away players. But not having one puts you in this kind of situation, which is a pretty sucky situation IMO.
Since team B is thinking about next year, he's grabbing two guys that were either drafted really late or not at all, so he can keep one or both (probably angling to keep Thompson if I had to guess) and he's getting rid of a 1st round pick that he wasn't keeping anyway. Hard to say that's not a reasonable move.
Team A wants to win now, so yes he gives up some keeper value but he gets a top 5 rb to try and win the league. Hard to say that's not a reasonable move.
It's a sucky situation because it really is unfair to the other playoff teams for this guy, in the semis, to be able to unload an IR guy and a guy he wasn't starting in exchange for an elite RB1. If he wins the league off of this that really sucks.
But, since you don't have a trade deadline and they are probably doing the trade legitimately, I think you have to let it go through. But for future years, set a trade deadline. Ideal to me is week 10-11, some even advocate for as early as week 8.
Since team B is thinking about next year, he's grabbing two guys that were either drafted really late or not at all, so he can keep one or both (probably angling to keep Thompson if I had to guess) and he's getting rid of a 1st round pick that he wasn't keeping anyway. Hard to say that's not a reasonable move.
Team A wants to win now, so yes he gives up some keeper value but he gets a top 5 rb to try and win the league. Hard to say that's not a reasonable move.
It's a sucky situation because it really is unfair to the other playoff teams for this guy, in the semis, to be able to unload an IR guy and a guy he wasn't starting in exchange for an elite RB1. If he wins the league off of this that really sucks.
But, since you don't have a trade deadline and they are probably doing the trade legitimately, I think you have to let it go through. But for future years, set a trade deadline. Ideal to me is week 10-11, some even advocate for as early as week 8.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:54 am to Tigereye10005
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It's a sucky situation because it really is unfair to the other playoff teams for this guy, in the semis, to be able to unload an IR guy and a guy he wasn't starting in exchange for an elite RB1. If he wins the league off of this that really sucks.
But, since you don't have a trade deadline and they are probably doing the trade legitimately, I think you have to let it go through. But for future years, set a trade deadline. Ideal to me is week 10-11, some even advocate for as early as week 8.
That's a great point. Thanks.
The no trade deadline screwed it up I think.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:55 am to Tigereye10005
Agree with Tigereye's long answer.
Short answer. You should have a trade deadline, even in a keeper league. But since you don't, this trade is fine.
Short answer. You should have a trade deadline, even in a keeper league. But since you don't, this trade is fine.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:02 am to HailToTheChiz
No issue at all with that trade with your league setup.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:23 am to magiLSU
so basically, my example is exhibit A as to why we need a trade deadline - no matter the league 
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:26 am to HailToTheChiz
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so basically, my example is exhibit A as to why we need a trade deadline - no matter the league
basically
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:31 am to HailToTheChiz
Hard to tell without knowing keeper values.
Our keeper league doesn't have a trade deadline and it's just fine.
Our keeper league doesn't have a trade deadline and it's just fine.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:58 am to castorinho
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Hard to tell without knowing keeper values.
Our keeper league doesn't have a trade deadline and it's just fine.
So how do you handle trades in this same scenario? Do you look at the fairness? Commish veto? Vote?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:22 am to Tigereye10005
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It's a sucky situation because it really is unfair to the other playoff teams for this guy, in the semis, to be able to unload an IR guy and a guy he wasn't starting in exchange for an elite RB1. If he wins the league off of this that really sucks.
I don't agree with this. What's stopping the other playoff owners from mortgaging their future for the present in a similar fashion?
Posted on 12/15/17 at 1:18 pm to DallasTiger45
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I don't agree with this. What's stopping the other playoff owners from mortgaging their future for the present in a similar fashion?
For one, there's not an unlimited amount of elite RBs out there, especially in the consolation bracket. So there just might not be that possibility.
Also, even if every owner in the semis was able to give up keeper value in a similar fashion I'd still think it was a sucky situation, because then you're just creating a league where every team does a roster dump/switch to an extent when the playoffs start, so it's likely just elite teams going against elite teams because they were able to vulture all the studs from consolation teams. That wouldn't necessarily be an unfair situation, but it would be a stupid situation, at least in my opinion.
It's better to have a trade deadline to avoid this kind of thing altogether.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:15 pm to Tigereye10005
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For one, there's not an unlimited amount of elite RBs out there, especially in the consolation bracket. So there just might not be that possibility.
Well there's at least one available...any of the other contenders could have traded for Shady.
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Also, even if every owner in the semis was able to give up keeper value in a similar fashion I'd still think it was a sucky situation, because then you're just creating a league where every team does a roster dump/switch to an extent when the playoffs start, so it's likely just elite teams going against elite teams because they were able to vulture all the studs from consolation teams.
My experience with dynasty/keeper leagues is this happens no matter what.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 2:34 pm to DallasTiger45
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My experience with dynasty/keeper leagues is this happens no matter what.
I somewhat agree with that. But it happens (at least in the ones I've played in) around the trade deadline. And at that point it's teams having to make a decision between trying to make a playoff push or giving up and playing for next year.
When it happens during the playoffs like this, it's just a straight up roster dump. I mean, this guy got Chris Thompson, who is a solid RB. But in reality, he could have traded Shady for basically anyone with keeper value, no matter how minimal. Because he knows he's not keeping Shady, so Shady is worthless to him.
To each their own, but I don't like a situation that incentivizes those kind of moves that strongly. That's why a trade deadline is better.
Posted on 12/15/17 at 8:10 pm to Tigereye10005
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When it happens during the playoffs like this, it's just a straight up roster dump.
That is what this is
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