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re: Keenan Allen vs Michael Thomas 12 man PPR
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:43 am to GynoSandberg
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:43 am to GynoSandberg
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GynoSandberg
He got it right, in PPR it's Allen. This is one of those things where i'd take Allen over Thomas every time and feel fine with it, even if i made the wrong choice because at this point in time Allen has the bigger ceiling and floor in PPR.
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:45 am to jojothetireguy
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because at this point in time Allen has the bigger ceiling and floor in PPR.
We have 2 years of data on Thomas, we don't even know what his ceiling is.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:52 am to CBandits82
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We have 2 years of data on Thomas, we don't even know what his ceiling is.
We know his ceiling as far as receptions and yards based on targets, catch % and Y/R. There’s not a huge jump to be had there
TDs are unpredictable but we know Brees spreads it around and we are near the top of rush TDs over the past few years
And Thomas isn’t this young WR you’re making it out To be
Posted on 8/16/18 at 1:28 pm to GynoSandberg
Allen can improve his catch % but Thomas can't improve his y/r. It's capped out.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:08 pm to Peazey
Brees is routinely at the bottom of air yard stats. He’s completing short, intermediate passes. For instance, Drew was last in averaged intended air yards last season. Second to last in average completed air yards. He’s a dink and dunk passer. His accuracy and depth attempts numbers have been like clockwork. I just don’t see his numbers shooting up at age 39 season
Thomas ran out of the slot nearly a quarter of his routes last season. 35% of his receptions and 34% of his yards came from the slot at a sub 12 y/r clip. Even on the outside, he not going downfield. Not his game. Just not much opportunity downfield and MT’s forte isn’t exactly making people miss with the ball in his hands.
He’s great at what he does, but I do believe his role is established. Like I said twice, I do believe the real growth potential for him is TDs.
For Allen, I believe his catch rate can improve assuming rivers can bounce back to his career accuracy marks. And it may not, he could just be in his decline stage. Even so, Allen will get by on sheer volume alone. As mentioned, he was the premier red zone targeted WR last season with numerous vacated RZ looks from the TE spot. He has some wiggle and can get down the field on occasion.
It is what it is. I love Thomas but I’m not going to allow my saint blinders to cloud the data and numbers, along with the skillset
Thomas ran out of the slot nearly a quarter of his routes last season. 35% of his receptions and 34% of his yards came from the slot at a sub 12 y/r clip. Even on the outside, he not going downfield. Not his game. Just not much opportunity downfield and MT’s forte isn’t exactly making people miss with the ball in his hands.
He’s great at what he does, but I do believe his role is established. Like I said twice, I do believe the real growth potential for him is TDs.
For Allen, I believe his catch rate can improve assuming rivers can bounce back to his career accuracy marks. And it may not, he could just be in his decline stage. Even so, Allen will get by on sheer volume alone. As mentioned, he was the premier red zone targeted WR last season with numerous vacated RZ looks from the TE spot. He has some wiggle and can get down the field on occasion.
It is what it is. I love Thomas but I’m not going to allow my saint blinders to cloud the data and numbers, along with the skillset
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:26 pm to GynoSandberg
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Brees is routinely at the bottom of air yard stats. He’s completing short, intermediate passes. For instance, Drew was last in averaged intended air yards last season. Second to last in average completed air yards. He’s a dink and dunk passer. His accuracy and depth attempts numbers have been like clockwork. I just don’t see his numbers shooting up at age 39 season
He's bound to have better numbers than last year, last year was an insane outlier with a historic rushing attack. He still led the league in YPA. I see Thomas having his best season yet.
I'm not shitting on Allen tho, dudes great, I just would always rather have the younger ascending player in arguably the best fantasy offense in the league, its just how I draft typically.
But I can't shite on someone wanting Allen over Thomas.
This is a great thread tho
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:29 pm to CBandits82
Keep in mind Yards per Att is simply pass yards divided by attempts. It’s not necessarily judging the distance the ball is thrown down the field. The saint offense and Brees hasn’t charged in the 11 years or however long he as SP have been together. Volume and efficiency lend a nice YPA to drew
I don’t think the routes are changing for Thomas, so it’s basically on him to create the big plays to eat up more yards. I would love to see him running away from people
I don’t think the routes are changing for Thomas, so it’s basically on him to create the big plays to eat up more yards. I would love to see him running away from people
Posted on 8/16/18 at 3:46 pm to GynoSandberg
I think taking health out of the equation I would go Allen, but he has had repeated and major injuries almost every year.
I’d go Thomas due to risk.
I’d go Thomas due to risk.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:26 pm to Zoo Crawfish
Bump
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:46 pm to lwest41
I missed your opinion on the two bubba
Thomas made the jump I didn’t think he would make. He’s actually increased his target share by 3% and has been the dominant RZ target. This is perfect storm for MT
Conversely Allen’s situation hasn’t played out how I envisioned, to say the least
Thomas made the jump I didn’t think he would make. He’s actually increased his target share by 3% and has been the dominant RZ target. This is perfect storm for MT
Conversely Allen’s situation hasn’t played out how I envisioned, to say the least
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:55 pm to Zoo Crawfish
MT13 all day
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