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Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:28 pm to Lester Earl
Full disclosure: I've been trying to deal with some crazy domestic shite, so I wasnt paying full attention to my roster when doing this shite. However, I didn't think it was that big of a deal if I made several trades back to back to back as long as I made my roster legal immediately afterward.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:28 pm to GynoSandberg
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missed what u said
Sent a trade that I clicked on wrong player and I couldn't cancel. Was freaking out.
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in other news, looking back at trades from last year, villar for chris herman
I've thought about that a few times this offseason. Then I flipped him with Grichuk for Beltre
DJ doing work
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 1/26/17 at 11:44 pm to reddman
Ive been operating under the assumption that under no circumstance can you execute a move with an illegal roster.
If you make a trade, the correct corresponding moves need to be made at that time - so say if you do a 2 for 1, you need to drop a player. MiLB guy needs to go into an MiLB slot, MLB has to go into his slot, etc.
I do not think it's fair to afford an owner the luxury of putting a guy in an illegal spot until they can find something to do with the guy. Find a trade partner before dropping him, work out another trade, nothing. What's the time frame for allowing the owner to fix it? 5 minutes, 5 hours?
In closing, managing the roster is a strategy in it's own sense. Why even have AB and IP restrictions if a guy can just throw anywhere you want. IMO at no time should a guy who has never seen an MLB IP or AB even touch an active MLB spot, under any circumstance.
ETA: and im genuinely trying to solve this issue as it's happened a few times already. it needs to be clarified so everyone can manipulate their rosters as they see fit or there needs to be a zero tolerance thing. Papz got the book thrown at him, let's not forget.
If you make a trade, the correct corresponding moves need to be made at that time - so say if you do a 2 for 1, you need to drop a player. MiLB guy needs to go into an MiLB slot, MLB has to go into his slot, etc.
I do not think it's fair to afford an owner the luxury of putting a guy in an illegal spot until they can find something to do with the guy. Find a trade partner before dropping him, work out another trade, nothing. What's the time frame for allowing the owner to fix it? 5 minutes, 5 hours?
In closing, managing the roster is a strategy in it's own sense. Why even have AB and IP restrictions if a guy can just throw anywhere you want. IMO at no time should a guy who has never seen an MLB IP or AB even touch an active MLB spot, under any circumstance.
ETA: and im genuinely trying to solve this issue as it's happened a few times already. it needs to be clarified so everyone can manipulate their rosters as they see fit or there needs to be a zero tolerance thing. Papz got the book thrown at him, let's not forget.
This post was edited on 1/26/17 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 1/27/17 at 12:03 am to GynoSandberg
Understood. I haven't looked, but was my roster even really illegal during that time? Meaning, was there a brief moment where A player was put on an active roster but could have simply been swapped with someone else.
I wasn't trying to circumvent anything, and if even one owner feels that I was, I will reverse every trade and do it properly to make it right.
I wasn't trying to circumvent anything, and if even one owner feels that I was, I will reverse every trade and do it properly to make it right.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 12:06 am to reddman
And the thing with papz was quite different. Dude went a few weeks during the SEASON with veterans in his farm system.
I went 20-30 minutes with a whack roster while accepting three trade offers.
ETA: I'm quite confident that even if I reversed all three trades and re did them, that nothing would change. If someone feels different, please speak up and we can address in the morning.
I went 20-30 minutes with a whack roster while accepting three trade offers.
ETA: I'm quite confident that even if I reversed all three trades and re did them, that nothing would change. If someone feels different, please speak up and we can address in the morning.
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 12:09 am
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:02 am to reddman
.315/.357/.552
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 1:06 am
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:16 am to dj30
I think this was taken a few months ago?
He might be a toothpick by now
He might be a toothpick by now
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 1:18 am
Posted on 1/27/17 at 7:40 am to reddman
You had happ on your bench and you had no Milb player with MLB experience. So you couldn't just switch him out. You had to drop a MiLB'er, move Happ to his spot, then add another MLB player to your roster
Guys all off season have dropped guys all in order to start making moves. I know I have and a bunch more as well. It's the same exact situation. I can see where because you had a corresponding move in the works that you thought it was ok
Guys all off season have dropped guys all in order to start making moves. I know I have and a bunch more as well. It's the same exact situation. I can see where because you had a corresponding move in the works that you thought it was ok
Posted on 1/27/17 at 7:46 am to Lester Earl
Cheating arse ginger fgt
Posted on 1/27/17 at 7:48 am to Lester Earl
I see. So basically I would have just dropped perdomo or Diaz before making the second trade instead of a few minutes later after the other trades went through. Like I said, it was a total frenzy and I was also doing some shite at home so it wasn't like I was hanging out analyzing my roster. if I need to back them out and do it specifically by the book, I can. It won't change anything though.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:12 am to reddman
I don't see a big deal. It's the offseason and you corrected it right after. Whatevs.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:16 am to reddman
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reddman
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:16 am to Lester Earl
I would say there is a big difference between having a procedural illegal lineup and having a legit illegal lineup.
I know the rule is that you can't make any moves when you have an illegal lineup, but I believe you are allowed to make a move that makes you illegal? If so, you are obligated to get legal promptly.
There is some gray area here because a lineup was made illegal by a trade, but then made legal via another trade.
What will our position be if a guy sends out a gang of offers, then goes to bed, then all the trades get accepted? Surely his lineup would be illegal at times.
I know I have always sided with "letter of the law" as far as rule determinations go, but there is an aspect of intent here.
When papz had Moises Alou in his MiLB slot, during competition, that was a deliberate act to circumvent rules. When Reddfig makes 3 moves in 20 minutes and comes out of it with a legal lineup, I wouldn't say he's taking advantage of the situation. Especially if what he says is true, that he could have made it legal at any point during the trades.
I know the rule is that you can't make any moves when you have an illegal lineup, but I believe you are allowed to make a move that makes you illegal? If so, you are obligated to get legal promptly.
There is some gray area here because a lineup was made illegal by a trade, but then made legal via another trade.
What will our position be if a guy sends out a gang of offers, then goes to bed, then all the trades get accepted? Surely his lineup would be illegal at times.
I know I have always sided with "letter of the law" as far as rule determinations go, but there is an aspect of intent here.
When papz had Moises Alou in his MiLB slot, during competition, that was a deliberate act to circumvent rules. When Reddfig makes 3 moves in 20 minutes and comes out of it with a legal lineup, I wouldn't say he's taking advantage of the situation. Especially if what he says is true, that he could have made it legal at any point during the trades.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:26 am to rondo
Just an update to yesterday's discussion....
Law has Benintendi at 1, Swanson at 2, and Rosario at 3.
Moncada at 17.
Law has Benintendi at 1, Swanson at 2, and Rosario at 3.
Moncada at 17.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:27 am to rondo
If a guy goes to bed and wakes up and his lineup is illegal, then he'd just have to make it legal before he makes another move.
If a team can't make a trade in the offseason (i.e. A team has guys on DL) to make his lineup legal, then how can anyone? The correct protocol has been to make it legal via free agency, not trade. Then you are legal to trade.
If Redd was gonna make the same drops after his trade, then just do it before the trade to follow protocol. We don't know that is gonna match up, so just do it to "show your work" like you would in math class
If a team can't make a trade in the offseason (i.e. A team has guys on DL) to make his lineup legal, then how can anyone? The correct protocol has been to make it legal via free agency, not trade. Then you are legal to trade.
If Redd was gonna make the same drops after his trade, then just do it before the trade to follow protocol. We don't know that is gonna match up, so just do it to "show your work" like you would in math class
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:29 am to Lester Earl
You knew ron would knight for redd
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:33 am to Toula
All of a sudden Ron ain't bout that letter of the law smh
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:36 am to Lester Earl
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If Redd was gonna make the same drops after his trade, then just do it before the trade to follow protocol. We don't know that is gonna match up, so just do it to "show your work" like you would in math class
Had I been sitting in front of a computer when it all went down, I would have done so. The first two trades were literally minutes apart. Had I thought it would have caused such a ruckus, I would have done it like you are saying. I honestly didnt even think about it being an issue, obviously gained no advantage by doing it, and certainly wasn't deliberately trying to circumvent any rules.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 8:37 am to Lester Earl
Do I need to back all of this shite out so I can "show my work?"
ETA: If not, I've got more wheeling and dealing to do today...
ETA: If not, I've got more wheeling and dealing to do today...
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 8:38 am
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