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ESPN League Seeding Question
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:50 pm
This is the 3rd year I’ve played in this 14 team league with co-workers. The league is set up into two divisions with 6 teams making the playoffs. The commissioner, a co-worker, and myself are in one division. Commissioner has the #1 seed locked up with a 10-3 record. The other co-worker and myself have 8-4-1 records but I am seeded above her based on points scored.
The leader in the other division has an 8-5 record and is the #2 seed because she won that division.
I’ve looked through the league settings about playoff seeding and I can’t find anywhere that says division winners receive the top two seeds and a bye regardless of overall record. Is this just common practice for ESPN? I’ve never really paid that much attention because the last two years I was clearly in the top two seeds with a bye. The other yahoo leagues that I play in seed by overall record regardless of division standings.
The way I see it the Commissioner should have the #1 seed with a bye, then myself at #2 with a bye because 8-4-1 is better 8-5, then the other co-worker in my division with an 8-4-1 record would be #3 seed, then the winner of the other division with an 8-5 record should be #4 seed. Is my logic all wrong or do I have a legitimate argument if it isn’t spelled out in the league settings?
The leader in the other division has an 8-5 record and is the #2 seed because she won that division.
I’ve looked through the league settings about playoff seeding and I can’t find anywhere that says division winners receive the top two seeds and a bye regardless of overall record. Is this just common practice for ESPN? I’ve never really paid that much attention because the last two years I was clearly in the top two seeds with a bye. The other yahoo leagues that I play in seed by overall record regardless of division standings.
The way I see it the Commissioner should have the #1 seed with a bye, then myself at #2 with a bye because 8-4-1 is better 8-5, then the other co-worker in my division with an 8-4-1 record would be #3 seed, then the winner of the other division with an 8-5 record should be #4 seed. Is my logic all wrong or do I have a legitimate argument if it isn’t spelled out in the league settings?
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:03 pm to damonster
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I’ve looked through the league settings about playoff seeding and I can’t find anywhere that says division winners receive the top two seeds and a bye regardless of overall record
There is no reason to even have divisions if the winners dont get byes. It should be in the settings, but if its not, its understood
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:10 pm to Lester Earl
I agree there is no reason to have divisions without the winners of each division receiving byes but, a couple of yahoo leagues I play in have divisions but go by overall record when it comes to playoff seeding. I really don’t understand why leagues even have divisions if overall record is used for playoff seeding. I’m just trying to find out if this is an ESPN thing or not before I contact the commissioner about it.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:13 pm to Lester Earl
I have the same issue in one league. 3 owners and including myself are all 9-4 in one league with me having the most Points Scored throughout the season.
Since one of the owners who's 9-4 is top in his division he apparently gets the bye when it clearly states that Points Scored is the playoff tiebreaker in the settings (3 way tie). Weird thing is we play two opponents twice and my two opponents came from the other division. The #2 seed is also the commissioner using ESPN
Since one of the owners who's 9-4 is top in his division he apparently gets the bye when it clearly states that Points Scored is the playoff tiebreaker in the settings (3 way tie). Weird thing is we play two opponents twice and my two opponents came from the other division. The #2 seed is also the commissioner using ESPN
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 6:15 pm
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:17 pm to tzimme4
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3 owners and including myself are all 9-4 in one league with me having the most Points Scored throughout the season.
do you have divisions or no?
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:34 pm to damonster
It looks like this is an ESPN seeding practice and the customizable seeding tiebreaker is used as the last resort tie breaker.
LINK
I was curious about this because I’m in one ESPN league that has divisions. We have three divisions, no idea why. So in our case, the winner of each division automatically gets the top three seeds for the playoffs. If there’s the same record for the division winners, then the tiebreaker rules start to apply. Then the remaining spots are filled with the best remaining records, similar to the NFL’s wild card. It’s like when the saints had a great record but didn’t win the division and had to play Seattle on the road, and Marshawn went beast mode on our defense.
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REGULAR SEASON TIEBREAKERS
You can kick back and relax because we've done all the work for you - our system automatically generates playoff seeds for your league based on the regular season standings. How was such such a feat accomplished you ask? There are two factors for determining these playoff seeds:
Division Winner(s)
Winning Percentage
If two or more of your league members had the same winning percentage at the end of the regular season your commish can select from the following options as the be-all end-all tie-breaking system (and if they choose to do nothing then they're stuck with the default order shown below):
Overall points scored (Default setting for all leagues unless changed by League Manager)
Head-to-Head Record*
Division record
Overall points-against
* When Head-to-Head record is selected as the tiebreak criteria, and in the event that three or more teams have the same winning percentage at the end of the regular season, these teams must have played the same number of games for it to be used.
If your league doesn't like the default order your commish can change them by going to the "Playoff Matchups" page and clicking on the "Edit" link.
I was curious about this because I’m in one ESPN league that has divisions. We have three divisions, no idea why. So in our case, the winner of each division automatically gets the top three seeds for the playoffs. If there’s the same record for the division winners, then the tiebreaker rules start to apply. Then the remaining spots are filled with the best remaining records, similar to the NFL’s wild card. It’s like when the saints had a great record but didn’t win the division and had to play Seattle on the road, and Marshawn went beast mode on our defense.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:42 pm to liuyaming
I see where it says that but, those rules should be in the league settings. I’m going to let it go but, recommend divisions are done away with next year. Overall record should determine playoff seeding for the entire league, then points scored if you have teams with the same record. Divisions are dumb! I don’t see the reason to have them in fantasy football.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:52 pm to damonster
I don’t get it either, but I guess some commishes like it to be setup like the NFL. Yahoo does allow you to customize the playoff seeding for division leagues.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:16 pm to damonster
Not seeing the issue here. There are divisions. The winner of each division gets the top 2 seeds and the bye. I've played in plenty of leagues with divisions, and have never seen someone have an issue with it. There isn't a sport on earth where the winner of a division gets passed over for a higher seed or even playoff spot because someone in the other division had a better record.
And someone set those Yahoo leagues that way, because any Yahoo league I've ever played in with divisions gave top 2 seeds to division winners. I've won divisions with the same record as a guy that finished 2nd in the other while scoring more points, and I've also scored 200 more points than a guy won the other division, but he got the 2 seed over me.
Long story short, you've got it wrong. Division winners get the top seeds, regardless of the records of other teams. If you want seeding to be based on records, then divisions should not be used.
And someone set those Yahoo leagues that way, because any Yahoo league I've ever played in with divisions gave top 2 seeds to division winners. I've won divisions with the same record as a guy that finished 2nd in the other while scoring more points, and I've also scored 200 more points than a guy won the other division, but he got the 2 seed over me.
Long story short, you've got it wrong. Division winners get the top seeds, regardless of the records of other teams. If you want seeding to be based on records, then divisions should not be used.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:18 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:hmmm.....
There isn't a sport on earth where the winner of a division gets passed over for a higher seed or even playoff spot because someone in the other division had a better record.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:55 pm to castorinho
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hmmm.....
Lmao! PROFESSIONAL, not college. Don't start that shite here.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:51 pm to Lester Earl
Yes, but the divisional winners don't matter
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:56 pm to tzimme4
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Yes, but the divisional winners don't matter
That’s why I have an issue with it. Everything else is spelled out in the league settings, why shouldn’t this be? Seems like an important detail to me. Just sayin.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 8:59 pm to tzimme4
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Yes, but the divisional winners don't matter
division winner supersedes total points
Posted on 12/5/17 at 9:01 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:NBA.
Lmao! PROFESSIONAL, not college. Don't start that shite here.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 9:52 pm to Lester Earl
In standard leagues they do, but this a custom with LM
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