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Consider Dez Bryant's 2017 schedule

Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:37 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 3:37 pm
*All of this data is from Scott Barrett at PFF

Keep in mind, this season Dez gets

Janoris Jenkins/ARC x2
Josh Norman x2
Talib/Chris Harris
Pat Peterson
Trumaine Johnson
Trumaine Brock
Casey Heyward
Marcus Peters
Desmond Trufant
Sean Smith
Richard Sherman

On paper his only soft matchups per PFF are PHI x2





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On a fantasy-points-per-target basis, Dez Bryant has been the most cornerback-sensitive wide receiver over the past three seasons:





Here’s Bryant’s splits by overall production:




On a per-route-run basis the same thing is true again — Bryant has been the most-cornerback-sensitive wide receiver over the past three seasons:




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WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR FANTASY?
I was worried our data-sample was skewed by Bryant’s 2015 season, when he struggled with injuries and poor quarterback play, but his 2015 season only made up 12.2 percent of his qualifying routes in this sample.

Anyone can break down fantasy points by any number of different splits to find meaning when it isn’t really there. Throughout his career, Odell Beckham Jr. averaged 6.0 fantasy points per game more in even-numbered weeks than odd. Does this mean we should only start Beckham in Weeks 1, 3, 5, etc.? Of course not, but if these were home/away splits rather than odd/even splits, we’d never shut up about them. I find value in this data and will approach the 2017 season with these splits in mind, but as an added grain of salt, I talked to several PFF analysts who suggested that this might be purely due to randomness and a small-ish (539 routes, 110 targets) data sample. Basically, from looking at Bryant’s physical profile and tape, they were surprised and unsure why this might be the case.

That said, I think the implications are huge. For DFS, the answer is simple – load up on Bryant shares when up against a poor cornerback, and fade completely when up against a top-tier cornerback.

For season-long leagues, things get trickier. If you’re drafting him at his current ADP (WR10), you’re likely not going to ever be in a position to bench him when in a tough matchup. This does raise another important question — like with Ben Roethlisberger, due to his weekly variance, should we downgrade Bryant in our redraft rankings? I actually think his current ADP is more than fair, and he should improve on last season’s numbers with added rapport from working with Dak Prescott all offseason. However, due to his brutal schedule to start the season, we might be better off trying to acquire Bryant as a buy-low trade target heading into Week 5. The Cowboys start their season off against the Giants, Broncos, Cardinals, and Rams. It’s likely Bryant is shadowed by or is primarily in coverage against Janoris Jenkins, Aqib Talib, Patrick Peterson, and Trumaine Johnson in each game over this stretch. All four players graded among our top-25 cornerbacks last season. Things look much better for Bryant in Week 5, up against a Green Bay Packers defense that allowed the most fantasy points per game to outside wide receivers last season.


Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22533 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:19 pm to
Good info. I guess some of that is baked into his ADP

I've only owned him once, and I hated it. He's an elite WR but isn't treated like one in the sense that he plays on a team with a good run game and a conservative QBs. I've always preferred volume over relying on TDs and that's what Dez is.

Random number I just looked up, but Dez has just 9 games with at least 8 catches since 2013. I know he's been injured some, but I'd like my WR1 to be featured more.

Only argument I can find against your numbers is his elite RZ ability. I'd take Dez over most of those DBs in the RZ. Ball skills are crazy.
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:24 pm to
Keep n mind... these db's get dez. He isnt a normal wr.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 7:28 pm to
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Keep n mind... these db's get dez. He isnt a normal wr.


Neither are the guys you consider to take over him
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 8:09 pm to
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Neither are the guys you consider to take over him




Didnt know we were discussing first round. Dez adp this yr is a steal for a talent of his nature.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74538 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

Keep n mind... these db's get dez. He isnt a normal wr.


What do you make of the data of Dez vs top 25 CBs
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 8:28 pm to
They were breaking this down on Sirius today.

Brutal.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163328 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:06 pm to
as my WR1 I'd be worried....as my 2? Eh the weekly TD upside is there regardless of match up
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:12 pm to
Good post. I'm actually warming up to Dez a little though. I think that if he's healthy he's going to put up monster numbers this season.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74538 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:22 pm to
I'd take him as my WR2. Doable in an auction. His ADP is hovering around WR1 territory though (early 2nd) Depends on where you go R1. If you're going McCoy or freeman he could be your WR1

I'm also not a Dak truther. I think he regresses

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Random number I just looked up, but Dez has just 9 games with at least 8 catches since 2013. I know he's been injured some, but I'd like my WR1 to be featured more


Over last 3 yrs, Dez Bryant has lowest recs/game avg of top 14 fantasy WRs by 2017 ADP. 4.45 receptions per game



Posted by DeeBz
Member since Jan 2015
614 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:35 pm to
Damn G now you got me thinking even more after our conversation the other night
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22533 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:54 pm to
Yeah that's what I was thinking before with such few touches. Such a heavy emphasis on TDs

In your case provided with McCoy in R1, which WR would you feel comfortable on snake back around in R2? I ask because would you rather guys like Amari/Hopkins/etc in the convo?
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74538 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 10:01 am to
I got Hopkins, cooper, dez all in the same range. All have their negatives, but upside exists. Cooper has highest floor but lowest ceiling. Dez a little safer than Hopkins imo. Ty Hilton may be your best bet in that range
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
163328 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 1:08 pm to
crazy how our opinions can change so quickly, a year ago I thought hopkins was basically QB proof and volume alone would sustain him.

Now I have trouble shaking last year off with him, I doubt savage is worse than Brock, but is he much better?
Posted by jimithing11
Dillon, Texas
Member since Mar 2011
22533 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

crazy how our opinions can change so quickly, a year ago I thought hopkins was basically QB proof and volume alone would sustain him.



My theory has little to do with the player, rather the scheme/philosophy. If you watch the Texans a lot, Hopkins can get blanketed a lot by DBs. He's not entirely quick, but is elite with his hands, ball skills.

Yeah, the QB play is bad, but it was bad a few years ago when he had his major breakout. That year, the QBs peppered him with targets whether he was covered or not. It seems since then that Texans are much more conservative with running the ball and playing defense. Plus, O'Brien is way more reliant on throwing to TEs than he was in the past.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74538 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 2:50 pm to
They really shouldn't have gotten rid of hoyer. Especially since they chose and paid BO, too

Hoyer is low key conducive to producing decent WRs. He propped Josh Gordon up a few games in '13 and was responsible for sone of Hopkins bigger games. Hopkins had a 57% catch rate his big year vs 52% last year

I think Shannhan can make hoyer work in that SF offense, I think garçon is in for a big year.
Posted by CapperVin
Member since Apr 2013
10661 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 7:21 pm to
In a PPR snake draft what range would you think would be good value to take Garcon in? I've totally taken Dez off my draft board after reading your post.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
74538 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 7:40 pm to
Cappsy you talking serious kinda league or a home league with mixed skill level?

Remember the whole appeal is to maximize value. Taking him too early defeats the purpose

For me, I'll probably have 3 WR and 2 RB in a snake draft before I start looking at him. Add another round bc I may take a guy who drops who I can't pass on. So I think that 7th rd - on he's in play. If you know your league is gonna reach on QB and TE wait that shite out

I'm all about upside and value once I fill 3 WR and 2 RB in a snake.
Posted by CapperVin
Member since Apr 2013
10661 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:19 pm to
It's a serious league as for as money goes but about half of the twelve teams don't really know what they're doing. There will be tons of reaches all throughout the draft. It clicked in my head when you started talking about Hoyer because I had Hopkins two yrs ago and that was a great tandem and Hopkins was key to my team winning it all that yr. I will def wait for the right spot where there is value and not overreach. Thanks for the heads-up!

Not to hijack your thread but since I have you on the line I wanna get your thoughts on the first overall pick which I have this yr. Who do you favor out of Bell and DJ? Personally I favor Bell but I'm a little nervous due to his situation. Will his contract situation cause issues? Motivation be there? Is there bad blood between him and the organization? Could these factors derail his season? Would it be smarter to go with the safer pick in DJ or do you think the issues with Bell are being overblown by me? Just wanted to hear your thoughts. Thanks man
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