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re: Georgia Voters - Amendment 1 (Govt't Takeover of Struggling Schools)

Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85764 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:55 pm to
I voted yes. I think there are very reasonable arguments for voting no.

Honestly, it's tough. I'd prefer if it weren't an amendment so it could be easily changed back.

But the fact that teachers are against something is often a good sign that I want to be on the opposite side. It impacts shitty school districts where the concept of local control pulling schools out of tailspins is laughable.

I don't think it'll pass, which made me a little less apprehensive about voting for it.

Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Well the current conditions in the schools that would be targeted is a complete taxpayer money waste so....


This. If the local governing bodies have let the schools continue a downward spiral and either done nothing, or have done everything they can with no success, why should they be allowed to continue to run the schools?
Posted by Rohan2Reed
Member since Nov 2003
75674 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:55 pm to
Voted yes. Any attempt at improving failing public schools is better than accepting the poor returns that liberal policies backed by the teachers unions and NAACP want to keep as the status quo.
Posted by Walkthedawg
Dawg Pound
Member since Oct 2012
11466 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

It's a tough one. It would likely help some of the pathetic schools where it's a fricking shame nobody in the community and local government/school boards seem to give a shite and are pissing away money.


You've obviously never worked in one of these schools. You will NEVER get these schools changed. The parents are dead beats and the kids reflect this. The children in these schools are very disruptive during the class sessions. They can't help it, it's what they see at home. Some of these kids have NO chance, their stories would break your heart.

Add to that, the federal gov't dictating ridiculous rules for schools and this is what you get. Wish it were different but having some outside company come in a dictate even more rules is a loser!!
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
52869 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

Voted yes, and my wife is a teacher.


Wife is too. She told me she didn't give a shite what else I marked on my ballot, but there better be a no next to amendment 1.

You're the first person I've come across whose teacher wife wanted it to pass.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
26144 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:57 pm to
NO to that and NO to TSPLOST
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30770 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:57 pm to
Voted NO. Sounded too much like bussing in students. Didn't like.
Posted by wt9
Savannah, Ga
Member since Nov 2011
1123 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:00 pm to
NO,
Spend more tax money and in the end things will be the same.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85764 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:01 pm to
for the umpteenth consecutive time, i voted no to tsplost

when we're promised no more fricking street cars, then I'll consider tsplost
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
52869 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:03 pm to
I'm voting yes on tsplost because it is a gwinnett county tax, and being in Sugar Hill, I see the money at work with the widening of 20 and all the other road improvements they are making.
Posted by RAZORMET
Arkansas
Member since Apr 2010
41 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:10 pm to
It is systematically impossible to improve these districts. Sure one or two schools might improve, but the district as a whole will not improve on a grand scale. It's the parents, home life, SES levels. No matter how much money you pump in, no matter how many charter schools you open. It will not matter. The absolute worst thing for a schools is having the government involved. Charter schools are a legal way of stealing money. Sure some charter schools will outperform traditional public schools, but the majority do not. In reality what do you expect the charter schools take the best and leave the rest. Most charter schools play by a different set of rules and some private organization is getting a fat wallet. Almost ALL school districts that have been taken over by the state and converted to charter schools have failed. The Walton Foundation is a huge backer of state take overs and charter schools. They are looking to fill their pockets and insure a never ending supply of cashiers at Walmart.

MAGA!!!!
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7909 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:18 pm to
We have this in Louisiana, vote no!

They take over schools, but they don't take the attendance zone. Failing kids just move to a different school and those schools fail and the cycle repeats. Meanwhile the state holds the local tax payers' facilities and they let some company come in and use it for a charter school that fails at an unbelievably high rate since they get selective enrollment. By the time the local school board gets the facility back, it needs massive repairs (in the millions) due to neglect.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85764 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

I'm voting yes on tsplost because it is a gwinnett county tax, and being in Sugar Hill, I see the money at work with the widening of 20 and all the other road improvements they are making.



It's helpful when the county you live in recognizes you exist.

In Fulton, nothing exists above downtown too often
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39418 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:19 pm to
Hard no
Posted by NorthGwinnett LSU
Georgia Southern Fan
Member since Nov 2012
1936 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

and being in Sugar Hill



Well hello fellow Sugar Hill resident!!

Also I voted Yes on Amendment 1
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
Member since Nov 2012
2566 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:23 pm to
Voted no on all the amendments
Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30770 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

We have this in Louisiana, vote no!

They take over schools, but they don't take the attendance zone. Failing kids just move to a different school and those schools fail and the cycle repeats. Meanwhile the state holds the local tax payers' facilities and they let some company come in and use it for a charter school that fails at an unbelievably high rate since they get selective enrollment. By the time the local school board gets the facility back, it needs massive repairs (in the millions) due to neglect.

Pretty much how I saw it playing out. Heavy government intervention only wrecks shite.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
32371 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

In Fulton, nothing exists above downtown too often


Fulton TSPLOST is split between unincorporated (North and South Fulton) and CoA. Money is collected/stays in their respective areas.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
26098 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:28 pm to
Voted no
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
105869 posts
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:36 pm to
We don't have charters here in Kentucky, but the state can take over struggling schools. And almost every one of their intervention "options" have been shite.

You can shuffle kids around, change staff, change methods, but if you can't acknowledge the population you're dealing with and realistic expectations for those students then it's a worthless referendum.
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