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re: LHSAA: West Monroe busted over player tampering
Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:27 pm to reo45
Posted on 8/31/17 at 2:27 pm to reo45
quote:some are, some aren't
When is a move not for athletic reasons brother??
quote:certainly a matter of opinion. I think it has more to do with the split and principals.
There is a reason why we have the lousiest Athletic Association in America quite possibly. I'll let you figure out why that is so.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:21 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
some are, some aren't
And how do you tell? What is it you look for that tells you it isn't for athletic reasons?
I talked to someone in Shreveport about Israel Mukuamu and his brother who transferred from South Carolina to Louisiana. His father was transferred to Barksdale air-force base in the military.
They chose Parkway. They live in that zone. That, is what I call a legitimate move. Moving, at most, 7 minutes away from your first school of choice and claiming it isn't for athletic reasons is about as ridiculous as it gets. Come on man, stop already. What are you driving at.
Yes, it is broke. The system is flat broke.
They have that rule (athletic reasons) in place because it is meant to be vague and opaque. It leaves the discretion with the LHSAA. They suck. They have shown to rule as they wish. That isn't how it should work. No rule should be subjective. It should be totally objective and clear. I've heard so many better rules that could solve this whole ordeal yet they refuse to hear any of it.
Yes, there will continue to be a split just because of issues just like this.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 3:45 pm to reo45
quote:you're wanting people to prove negatives. The rule is intentionally vague to help KIDS.
And how do you tell? What is it you look for that tells you it isn't for athletic reasons?
quote:
Moving, at most, 7 minutes away from your first school of choice and claiming it isn't for athletic reasons is about as ridiculous as it gets.
Academics, the social situation at a certain school, financial reasons?
We have the split because of the realities of attendance zones and unequal population. Transfer rules have little to do with it.
Posted on 8/31/17 at 4:00 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:
you're wanting people to prove negatives. The rule is intentionally vague to help KIDS.
I truly don't believe you actually believe that. If you do you are naive. I use statistics to drive home a decision. Screw emotions or negatives. If I am an investigator I would have time for neither. So I resort to numbers. Statistics clearly show that Division I athletes do not transfer from elite programs to podunk programs that may barely make the playoffs. That is a fact of math.
The day I see a top rated Division I athlete transfer from John Curtis to Northshore I'll let you know.
And, just so you know, I am not in disagreement with them attending wherever they wish to attend. I think you like to argue just for the sake of it. Sound like my ex-wife. She was great at that too.
The difference between you and I is very thin. You want what is best for the kids, so do I, but this rule takes that out of the kids and parents hands and allows it to be governed by the LHSAA. If you can't see how that is opposite of your own thinking I can't help you whatsoever. So, you better hope to God nothing behind the scenes is working against you. That is where I am driving at also. You think things take place in a vacuum? That there aren't people behind the scenes attempting to make things happen for a big time player either way?
I'm talking about cases where big time prospects leave small schools to franchise type schools. The numbers will always show it lopsided in that direction and that is all an investigator needs to know unless it is so dire of a circumstance that there was no way the kid could stay at his current school of choice. That is rare. Very rare, but does happen. Outliers. Study them.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 11:41 am to reo45
LOL, good old LHSAA. All this should be so simple rather than so convoluted.
If I was in charge, a kid would be allowed to pick a school of first choice for athletics on day 1 of grade 9. Zoning, etc should be a school issue and not an LHSAA one. Go wherever you want that you can make work with the school boards, but choose wisely. Examine the 'social situation', transportation, etc.
After that, any transfer to any school that is not a bona fide move would mean sitting a year. Bona fide move would mean a true change in family situation that would have to be proveable AND would have to be greater than a certain distance, say 45 miles. Parent gets new job and you gotta move from Shreveport to Gonzalez? OK. But all this moving within a metro area? No way. You picked the school you started at, you stick with it.
If I was in charge, a kid would be allowed to pick a school of first choice for athletics on day 1 of grade 9. Zoning, etc should be a school issue and not an LHSAA one. Go wherever you want that you can make work with the school boards, but choose wisely. Examine the 'social situation', transportation, etc.
After that, any transfer to any school that is not a bona fide move would mean sitting a year. Bona fide move would mean a true change in family situation that would have to be proveable AND would have to be greater than a certain distance, say 45 miles. Parent gets new job and you gotta move from Shreveport to Gonzalez? OK. But all this moving within a metro area? No way. You picked the school you started at, you stick with it.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 9/1/17 at 1:10 pm to yallallcrazy
Certain schools like the rules just as they are. They allow for a certain level of ambiguity allowing some schools with big dollars to get by because a rule is obscure.
Chalmette was right, "How do you prove a negative".
The rule that one can't transfer for Athletic Reasons is as obscure and obtuse as it gets. There is no statistical criteria to rule on except subjectively speaking alone.
So, it leaves room for corruption and manipulation to see to a certain end result in a ruling.
In Indiana if a kid transfers to another school and even if all the other requirements are met, they have to sit out a year if they attended and participated in any sporting event at another member school 364 days before.
Chalmette was right, "How do you prove a negative".
The rule that one can't transfer for Athletic Reasons is as obscure and obtuse as it gets. There is no statistical criteria to rule on except subjectively speaking alone.
So, it leaves room for corruption and manipulation to see to a certain end result in a ruling.
In Indiana if a kid transfers to another school and even if all the other requirements are met, they have to sit out a year if they attended and participated in any sporting event at another member school 364 days before.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 2:18 pm to reo45
quote:that's a bad solution. This isn't college where you can add an extra year to make up for the one you missed as a red shirt transfer.
n Indiana if a kid transfers to another school and even if all the other requirements are met, they have to sit out a year if they attended and participated in any sporting event at another member school 364 days before.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 3:23 pm to reo45
I read the Indiana stuff. Indiana has by far the best system for competitive balance - far better than the split concept many states have gone to.
While I'm not sure I agree on a blanket requirement to sit a year for ANY transfer, I do think sitting a year for any transfer that is basically optional is appropriate. At least that plan is objective though. Clear rules make it so much easier. Maybe you are right in that that's why we don't have clear rules ...
While I'm not sure I agree on a blanket requirement to sit a year for ANY transfer, I do think sitting a year for any transfer that is basically optional is appropriate. At least that plan is objective though. Clear rules make it so much easier. Maybe you are right in that that's why we don't have clear rules ...
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