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re: LHSAA Boys Playoffs
Posted on 2/16/13 at 8:50 pm to bluebarracuda
Posted on 2/16/13 at 8:50 pm to bluebarracuda
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Cwill, we absolutely shut down newmans run of play in state both years, and they were playing just as much kick and run as us.
U-High doesn't have the skilled players to play that kind of soccer, and we thrived playing boot 'n run. We would have been garbage had we tried playing pretty soccer
I'll be honest man, that's not what it looked like from the stands. Newman played a good passing game and U-High just booted the ball over the midfield either to Micah or Copeskey and hoped for the best. U-High has always relied on its athletes, but guys like Copeskey-x2, Micah, Major, Scala, Patrick, et al were more than capable of holding possession and playing a passing game, but that's not the way they were coached.
UHS looked completely outclassed tonight against Newman. I thought the reffing was ok, except their goalie should have gotten carded (yellow at least) when U-High got a PK. I can't really comment on the goal being taken away (I was on the other side of the field with all of the other U-High fans).
U-High had only two really technical players. One SUPER fast and athletic forward (the tall one, who ended up winning the PK) and Kobetz out on the wing. Our midfield was absolutely pathetic. Defensively they were poor and the go-to strategy as soon as they got the ball was to kick it down field and hope for the best. The problem with that was that UHS was playing a 4-5-1 against Newman (who was playing 3 in the back) so our forwards were trying to go 1v3. It was laughable. Me and the other guys who used to play for UHS kept a running game where we would try to count three completed passes in a row. It practically never happened. The lack of composure on the ball was staggering.
It was obvious that Newman is well coached. They passed and moved really well, and their second goal was a thing of beauty. Their players always seemed to know where to put the ball and how to move into space, and the defense was rarely threatened. U-High had MAYBE 2 shots on goal, none of which were really threatening. Frankly they were lucky to score, and of course it was not from the run of play.
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Posted on 2/16/13 at 9:37 pm to bluebarracuda
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U-High doesn't have the skilled players to play that kind of soccer, and we thrived playing boot 'n run. We would have been garbage had we tried playing pretty soccer
Agreed, at least from 05-09. It's fashionable, it seems, to critique Mitchell's style of play. People have done it since I can remember. Hell, when I played U-15 BRSC the parents complained about it...until we started winning. It worked out well for us. Seems to have worked well for U-High, too. I have a great deal of respect for Coach Chris and all he's done over there.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 2/16/13 at 9:48 pm to JB14
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we thrived playing boot 'n run
Because most other teams were also poorly coached and didn't have technical players, nor the know-how to pass it around our guys.
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It worked out well for us. Seems to have worked well for U-High, too.
It does, for the above reason, until U-High faces higher level competition that actually knows how to pass the ball. Until Chris can coach those kids to pass and move as a team instead of playing kick ball, U-High will continue to lose to more technical teams who will make you chase the game for 80 minutes (a la Newman).
Posted on 2/16/13 at 10:31 pm to cwil177
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Until Chris can coach those kids to pass and move as a team instead of playing kick ball, U-High will continue to lose to more technical teams who will make you chase the game for 80 minutes (a la Newman).
I'm just not sure that U-High (or anyone in DIII aside from Teurlings and St. Louis several years ago, for that matter), has the personnel to adopt that style of play, and still compete with the likes of Newman. They're tough to beat at their own game.
Once Mitchell gets the David Martins, the Jeff Hamptons, the Matt Savoies, the Will Usdins, and the David Napolis of the world, he can afford to switch to a more fluid, passing system. Until then, he is making do with what is available, IMHO.
This post was edited on 2/16/13 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 2/16/13 at 10:55 pm to JB14
who you got Jesuit vs SPS
Jesuit 2 SPS 0
Jesuit 2 SPS 0
Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:10 pm to lesismeaurx
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St. Paul vs. Jesuit
St. Paul takes state.
Not to toot my own horn or anything...
Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:20 pm to lesismeaurx
quote:my bad i didnt read the whole thread
Not to toot my own horn or anything...
Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:46 pm to JB14
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Until then, he is making do with what is available, IMHO
Maybe, but having seen him use the same non-passing style with a team that could have competed with one of Newman's very best (including the team with Matt Savoie), I'm not sure that I buy it. We can agree to disagree on this one
And it's not the matter of beating Newman at their own game. U-High has the better athletes, but U-High also has (a few) kids who can control the ball, pass, and move. A better combination of the two would really suit this team - no one is expecting Barcelona. Teach the kids to make runs to the corner. Don't isolate your most technical player (Kobetz) out on the wing and have him try to go 1v2 or 1v3. Put him in the center and have him dictate play. His workrate on offense and defense was phenomenal, but he had NO ONE offering any kind of support (U-High's central midfield tonight was nonexistant). Have your athletic players running off of him. Teach your forwards holdup play. Quit telling the kids to boot the ball upfield against 3 CBs. That's just poor coaching, regardless of the personnel. Have your backs make overlapping runs. I saw none of this. Instead, 3 years now, I've seen scrappy U-High teams who possibly had the talent to win state, knocked out by a 1 goal margin to Newman because they couldn't string more than a few passes together and relied too heavily on fast forwards and searching long balls. When did all of these last ditch goals from Newman come? In the last ten minutes, basically, or in overtime, when U-High finally got tired from chasing the game. Sure, U-High doesn't have Matt Savoies etc., but they do have talented players who play club and ODP who are more than capable of putting together good passes and (gasp!) movement off the ball.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:12 am to cwil177
I certainly cannot speak for the current U-High squad. I can say, though, that I have played with most of the players you mentioned above (and against all of them). They are wonderful players in their own right, but with the exception of Peters, I'm just not sure they were capable of playing on the same (technical) level of those Newman players I mentioned.
I think we just differ on our evaluations of the talent of each team--Newman was in '09 far above anyone else in DIII quality-wise, in my opinion. I thought Mitchell did very well to get to that title game and make it competitive.
Just my thoughts. I always enjoyed the rivalry between us. Nice to reminisce on the glory days every once in a while.
I think we just differ on our evaluations of the talent of each team--Newman was in '09 far above anyone else in DIII quality-wise, in my opinion. I thought Mitchell did very well to get to that title game and make it competitive.
Just my thoughts. I always enjoyed the rivalry between us. Nice to reminisce on the glory days every once in a while.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 12:15 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:24 am to JB14
William Major and Taylor Scala were both capable of technical play (they were both ODP, I believe), as were the Copeskeys. I'm not saying they were as good as Savoie (but then again, who was?), but they definitely had the technique.
And yeah, reminiscing from time to time can be fun...
And yeah, reminiscing from time to time can be fun...
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