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re: The ***OFFICIAL*** 11th Annual JFK Assassination Conspiracy Thread

Posted on 11/22/21 at 11:47 am to
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 11:47 am to
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The CIA was definitely somehow involved though


Here's a few:
- they released a full dossier on LHO internationally within hours, well before pre-internet and early in international phone calls.
- they modified the Zapruder footage to be passable as a 1-shooter film.
- they cleared at least 2 foreign snipers (allegedly French mob hitmen from Marseille) to enter the country.
- they dialed down defense support in Dallas for that weekend.
- they fed the FBI information to look into, and the FBI obliged to followed the red herring paper trail. They kept the FBI away from Marcello and searching around NO for all the stuff that was really going on.
- they had Oswald (and others) believing they were doing shite for their country and used them like chess pieces around the world. Proof is Oswald being with the anti-commie Cubans in LA, being pro-commie in NO, anti-commie in NO, going to Russia, etc. That wasn't the mob involved in that, it was the spooks in NO. They likely picked Oswald up in the marines.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 11:52 am to
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they modified the Zapruder footage to be passable as a 1-shooter film.


In what way did this happen?
Posted by bearglove
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 12:08 pm to
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- they fed the FBI information to look into, and the FBI obliged to followed the red herring paper trail. They kept the FBI away from Marcello and searching around NO for all the stuff that was really going on.
- they had Oswald (and others) believing they were doing shite for their country and used them like chess pieces around the world. Proof is Oswald being with the anti-commie Cubans in LA, being pro-commie in NO, anti-commie in NO, going to Russia, etc. That wasn't the mob involved in that, it was the spooks in NO. They likely picked Oswald up in the marines.


This seems sorta plausible to me based on what I know personally.

My wife's grandfather was an FBI agent at the time (and is quoted in the Warren Commission Report) and he was diverted from Oswald related interviews in New Orleans to go to Dallas.

He later became the lead investigator for Jim Garrison.

I've had a FOIA request for all of his FBI records going on for 6 years. They've only sent 1/3 of the materials (not to the JFK assassination period yet) and things keep getting delayed because they still "pertain to matters of national security."

I doubt I'll ever get anything groundbreaking out of it but the other stuff he did is still pretty cool to read about.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 12:13 pm to
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- they released a full dossier on LHO internationally within hours, well before pre-internet and early in international phone calls.
- they modified the Zapruder footage to be passable as a 1-shooter film.
- they cleared at least 2 foreign snipers (allegedly French mob hitmen from Marseille) to enter the country.
- they dialed down defense support in Dallas for that weekend.
- they fed the FBI information to look into, and the FBI obliged to followed the red herring paper trail. They kept the FBI away from Marcello and searching around NO for all the stuff that was really going on.
- they had Oswald (and others) believing they were doing shite for their country and used them like chess pieces around the world. Proof is Oswald being with the anti-commie Cubans in LA, being pro-commie in NO, anti-commie in NO, going to Russia, etc. That wasn't the mob involved in that, it was the spooks in NO. They likely picked Oswald up in the marines.



Its that time of year again, where people think the movie JFK was a true story.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 12:38 pm to
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they released a full dossier on LHO internationally within hours, well before pre-internet and early in international phone calls.


Movie - agent x

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- they cleared at least 2 foreign snipers (allegedly French mob hitmen from Marseille) to enter the country.


Partial movie - agent x

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- they dialed down defense support in Dallas for that weekend.


Movie - agent x

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- they had Oswald (and others) believing they were doing shite for their country and used them like chess pieces around the world. Proof is Oswald being with the anti-commie Cubans in LA, being pro-commie in NO, anti-commie in NO, going to Russia, etc. That wasn't the mob involved in that, it was the spooks in NO. They likely picked Oswald up in the marines.


Movie

Give me a minute and i'll find the refutations of these points.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 1:11 pm to
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IceTiger


Here we go. The website has been up a long time so it was hard for me to find it again, but here you go.

LINK

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- they released a full dossier on LHO internationally within hours, well before pre-internet and early in international phone calls.


Prouty was in New Zealand when Kennedy was shot, and believed that the Christchurch Star reported on Oswald's background far too quickly. It smelled to him like a CIA-planted cover story. Researcher David Perry looked at this issue to see whether the initial reports on Oswald and his background contained any suspicious information. He found that all the information in the paper was available in the files of U.S. newspapers and ready to be quickly sent over the news wires. And Bob Cotton, Chief Reporter of the Christchurch Star, has explained how the paper they published that day was the result of journalistic diligence, and not conspiratorial machinations.

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they dialed down defense support in Dallas for that weekend.


One of the most quoted assertions of L. Fletcher Prouty is the claim that an Army Intelligence unit — the 316th Field Detachment of the 112th Military Intelligence Group — was ordered to "stand down" and provide no additional security for Kennedy's Texas visit.

The commander of an army unit, specially trained in protection . . . had been told he and his men would not be needed in Dallas. "Another Army unit will cover that city," the commander was told.
I called a member of that army unit later. I was told that the commander "had offered the services of his unit for protection duties for the entire trip through Texas," that he was "point-blank and categorically refused by the Secret Service," and that "there were hot words between the agencies."

This leaves an important question: Why was the assistance of this skilled and experienced unit "point-blank refused?" Who knew ahead of time that it would not be wanted in Dallas?

L. Fletcher Prouty: JFK, The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy, p. 294.

The Reality

The House Select Committee on Assassinations took testimony from Colonel Robert E. Jones, who had been the Operations Officer of the 112th Military Intelligence group from June, 1963 until January 1965. He was questioned about a variety of matters, including his unit's role in the protection of President Kennedy during his Texas trip. Not only did Jones not mention any orders to "stand down," he explicitly noted that his unit provided protection for the president in Dallas! He stated:
We provided a small force — I do not recall how many, but I would estimate between 8 and 12 — during the President's visit to San Antonio, Texas; and then the following day, on his visit to Dallas, the regions also provided additional people to assist, that is additional people from Region 2. Hearings Before the Subcommittee on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy of the Select Committee on Assassinations, House of Representatives, Executive Session, Washington, DC., April 20, 1978, p. 1-14.
Prouty's claim is thus flatly at odds with the on-the-record sworn testimony of the Operations Officer of the unit. Like so many of his claims, it just doesn't jibe with the historical record.

Another link disproving Garrison

By all accounts, Garrison was a very unethical lawyer and many people have refuted majority of his book, which is the basis for the movie "JFK".

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