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re: Pedro Pascal Calls Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer

Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:05 pm to
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But it is the right call, but anyone in this thread talking down to someone because they make this kind of moral choice, or specifically say that an actor's beliefs "don't matter," are a part of the whole problem. While there was a time in this world where that was probably true. It isn't anymore, especially with elites, money and power.

Now if you agree with Pascal, well that's a different argument. But if you disagree with Pascal and his opinions, but think his opinions "don't matter," well there's a rude awakening coming for you at some point. He will fund, empower, create and market things that are antithetical to your beliefs, and he will do it aggressively (this kind of opinion is already a sign of his rash mindset). He will help people who hate you, and he will use his money and power to do it.


This right here.

If you agree with Pascal and people like him, then carry on I guess. If you enjoy his work and you also agree with his social and political takes, all the better.

If you disagree with his social and political takes but enjoy his work, you've got a decision to make. You can pretend that you're not at least partially handing money directly to a person that hates you and the things you believe, or you can acknowledge that and do something about it. In this case, it would be deciding to no longer watch those things he's in so as to no longer place your hard earned money into the hands of someone who hates you.

This is not some hardship. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment. Keep in mind, I used to feel differently about this and used to feel high minded by suggesting I could separate an entertainer's views from their work...as if this made me better than those that didn't. I was wrong, and my previous take was really pretty pathetic to be honest. If you would not personally hand a person cash who is standing in front of you telling you to your face they hate you, why do it through programs and third party companies? Plausible deniability?

And FWIW, this is harder to do when you views are on the right. A huge percentage of industries are now run by or openly support the left. It's basically impossible to avoid them all...but suggesting that since you can't avoid them all then there's no point in trying makes no sense. Start with 51%. Make a concerted effort to spend less than half your money with business that frickING HATE you. You don't have to find ones that support your beliefs...just ones that are not openly mocking or opposing them. Expand from there as your support of alternative businesses enable more to sprout up.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:18 pm to
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You can pretend that you're not at least partially handing money directly to a person that hates you and the things you believe, or you can acknowledge that and do something about it. In this case, it would be deciding to no longer watch those things he's in so as to no longer place your hard earned money into the hands of someone who hates you.
You're taking a huge leap to assume that Pascal hates me or you.

Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37533 posts
Posted on 11/22/21 at 3:38 pm to
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If you agree with Pascal and people like him, then carry on I guess. If you enjoy his work and you also agree with his social and political takes, all the better.

If you disagree with his social and political takes but enjoy his work, you've got a decision to make. You can pretend that you're not at least partially handing money directly to a person that hates you and the things you believe, or you can acknowledge that and do something about it. In this case, it would be deciding to no longer watch those things he's in so as to no longer place your hard earned money into the hands of someone who hates you.

This is not some hardship. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment. Keep in mind, I used to feel differently about this and used to feel high minded by suggesting I could separate an entertainer's views from their work...as if this made me better than those that didn't. I was wrong, and my previous take was really pretty pathetic to be honest. If you would not personally hand a person cash who is standing in front of you telling you to your face they hate you, why do it through programs and third party companies? Plausible deniability?

And FWIW, this is harder to do when you views are on the right. A huge percentage of industries are now run by or openly support the left. It's basically impossible to avoid them all...but suggesting that since you can't avoid them all then there's no point in trying makes no sense. Start with 51%. Make a concerted effort to spend less than half your money with business that frickING HATE you. You don't have to find ones that support your beliefs...just ones that are not openly mocking or opposing them. Expand from there as your support of alternative businesses enable more to sprout up.


Right back at you. This. 100%.



I don't WANT to be divisive, but that's kind of the point of letting bygones be bygones - which the idea of still supporting someone who hates you because they make something you like comes from. We should all be like that - that's the RIGHT thing to do.

The issue is that many people on that side of the argument don't care. They don't want to let bygones be bygones. They want to change your mind. They want to indoctrinate your children. And they want you to have no choice in what you believe - and will use a variety of means to get there. THEY aren't interested in just living together despite our differences. They need progress and change, constantly, and the things they progress and change about are always framed as "evil," or "villains," or, in this this case, "murderers," even though that isn't the truth at all.

It's even worse when they control the very simulation of reality itself via media. And to me, that's the bigger issue. Pascal's lone voice continuing the idea that Rittenhouse is a "murderer," is not a big deal and it wouldn't be a big deal if the vast majority and the corporations let bygones be bygones. But again that's not the case.

They are invested in continuing a false narrative and they have very loud voices to do it. We may not care about this one case.... but when it's more pervasive? When it involves more innocent ideas?

We should be worried.
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