re: Why Kiffin over Napier??

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The only reason Napier isn't at the top is because of facts. The best thing in his favor is a few years at ULL and supposed immeasurable intangibles. That's as non-fact based as it gets.


Napier is a emotional queue for a lot of Louisiana folks and it really jades the arguments in favor of him, especially when you consider the other candidates in question. I just don't think Napier has proven himself yet, at least no more than many other coaches before.

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na not really, the Louisiana thing is very very fricking overplayed by the anti napier posters.

its real simple

almost every big hire other than jimbo has been g5 to P5.

of the G5 coaches

1) fickel- most dont beleive he will come
2) Napier
3) chadwell

now there are certainly bigger names then them in

1) riley
2) any NFL HC
3) Franklin possibly
4) Cristobal


Riley should be #1 on every big board unless a better NFL HC wants it. but both are not very realistic, could happen but doubtful

Franklin- been at PSU a long time and most dont think he will leave but he hasnt set the world on fire either. Good enough to not get fired but not good enough to win an NC. Him and Cristoball are just program manager HC that would again be subjected to the success and failures of the coordinator hires.

then you have

1) Kiffin- again very high highs, but past has shown lots of mediocrity mixed in.

2) Bill O Brien- great job at penn state and was good when just HC of Houston, sucked as GM but was GM in name only. Takes way way too much blame for shite he didnt have a choice on.

3) Tucker- great recruiter and hard worker but results are mixed. High high high ceiling but lowest floor of candidates though.

4) Aranda- would lock down 1 side but concerns over last year at baylor and concerns over ability to recruit

5) Campbell/Fleck- neither have left midwest before and are both any better than the others including napier?



so what we are realistically looking at ( in no certain order)

1) kiffin
2) Napier
3) Tucker
4) bill o brien
5) Aranda
6) Campbell
7) Cristobal
8) franklin

you have to judge based off past results, vision for the program, vision for staff etc


I readily admit Napier is not my #1 and prolly not above #3 but looking at the realistic candidates above i take him over some of those for sure.

I am an anyone but franklin camp ftr. good with others.

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The only reason Napier isn't at the top is because of facts. The best thing in his favor is a few years at ULL and supposed immeasurable intangibles. That's as non-fact based as it gets.

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That's a ridiculous take. Here are some facts:

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At the age of 29, he became the youngest coordinator in the nation and in Clemson history. In his first season as Clemson’s coordinator, the 2009 Tigers scored a school-record 436 points and collected 54 touchdowns (third-most in school history), averaged 5.73 yards per play (fourth best) and finished as the ACC Atlantic Division champions. Quarterback Kyle Parker was named a Freshman All-American and nine players Napier coached from 2009-10 went on to have careers in the NFL.

Napier also served as Clemson’s recruiting coordinator from 2006-08. In those three seasons, he compiled two top-25 recruiting classes, according to Rivals.com, and in 2008, his class was tabbed as the second-best in the nation by ESPN.com.

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In his first year with the program, Napier guided the Sun Devils’ offense to the 14th highest-graded offense in the FBS according to Pro Football Focus - including the 10th highest-graded passing attack in the nation. ASU was graded 54th in the nation in total offense last season and 86th in the passing game on the year. The offensive turnaround (+40 positions) was the eighth-largest in the FBS and ASU was one of just three programs to move from outside the Top-50 to inside of it in just one season. The 76-spot swing in the passing game rankings was the third highest in all of the FBS (second among Power Five schools).

ASU developed one of the elite red zone scoring teams in the nation under Napier, tied for first nationally in converting on 95.83 percent of its red zone appearances (46-of-48) with the only two “blemishes” against the Sun Devils coming when the team took a knee late in the fourth quarter. ASU was 11th nationally in red zone touchdown scoring rate with 36 touchdowns on those 48 attempts (75.00).

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He led ULL to the only 2 10+ win seasons in their history. They had three 9 win seasons under Hudspeth before going off the cliff, but nearly all of those were vacated due to NCAA violations.

I'd take Kiffin over Napier because of his elite offensive mind, but Napier is a very good coach and will only get better and it has nothing to do with him coaching in LA.