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Does the "white whale" exist? Does a SUSTAINER exist?
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:39 pm
I do not see one guy - not one - that I feel convinced could do at LSU what Nick Saban has done at Alabamm, and that is to turn a football program into an absolute dynasty - reload, reload, and reload some more. It's ridiculous how deep they always are at every f*^_ing position.
I'd say Smart is coming close. He's got Georgia reloading/contending for playoff every year.
As for other conferences, it's impossible for me to know if a Riley or a Day could do at LSU what they're at their respective schools.
Bottom line we're kind of rolling the dice no matter what we do, so I'd prefer Kiffin BUT with a great defensive coordinator. Kiffin is yet to field a decent defense, and that concerns me.
I'd say Smart is coming close. He's got Georgia reloading/contending for playoff every year.
As for other conferences, it's impossible for me to know if a Riley or a Day could do at LSU what they're at their respective schools.
Bottom line we're kind of rolling the dice no matter what we do, so I'd prefer Kiffin BUT with a great defensive coordinator. Kiffin is yet to field a decent defense, and that concerns me.
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Posted on 10/23/21 at 10:47 pm to jgriffith
U assume “the guy” is in control.
Requires the key stakeholders to be aligned, including Gov, BOS, President, financiers, alum, etc.
Need guy who accepts nothing less than alignment AND a system that is aligned.
Requires the key stakeholders to be aligned, including Gov, BOS, President, financiers, alum, etc.
Need guy who accepts nothing less than alignment AND a system that is aligned.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:18 pm to jgriffith
You’re basically hoping Kiffin turns into what Riley already is. There isn’t another Saban out there. He’s changed the expectations for coaches to a point that it will take several years of him being retired to correct itself. People knock Riley for OU’s easy schedule and playoff performance, but it’s pretty much the same thing Smart is doing in the East, and without all the 5-stars on defense.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:22 pm to jgriffith
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I do not see one guy - not one - that I feel convinced could do at LSU what Nick Saban has done at Alabamm, and that is to turn a football program into an absolute dynasty - reload, reload, and reload some more.
There's a good reason you don't see this guy. It has never been done in history prior to him
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:35 pm to jgriffith
As far as I’m concerned, there is only 1 white whale in college football, and he ain’t leaving Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:35 pm to luciouslou
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:50 pm to G&P
I disagree. Brian Kelly is nowhere close to Saban.
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:51 pm to Celery
Yep
Posted on 10/23/21 at 11:56 pm to jgriffith
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I disagree. Brian Kelly is nowhere close to Saban.
I see a lot of Nick Saban in Brian Kelly.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 12:01 am to G&P
I'm not too thrilled with Kelly's recruiting.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 12:05 am to jgriffith
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I'm not too thrilled with Kelly's recruiting.
not a kelly fan, but the notre dame entrance requirements make recruiting a little different there
Posted on 10/24/21 at 12:07 am to jgriffith
Georgia and smart have done dick. Why the jock sniffing. Any other team. Same scenario. Underachievers or have not won shite. Wtf?
Posted on 10/24/21 at 12:12 am to Turf Taint
Yes, but there is one skill Saban has mastered that I'm not seeing in any candidate out there, and that is OVERCOMING THE HUMAN CONDITION. It was after that bastard left LSU and after Miami Dolphins that he perfected his art to a degree I've rarely seen. Granted, Skip Bertman is a guru at it too, but it's a different sport so I'll stay on Saban. He has a knack of keeping his coaches and players - MORE TIMES THAN NOT - 100% focused and to not relax/to sustain the success. The Human Condition is to relax, particularly after you've achieved great success. This is exactly what countless others - both players and coaches i.e. Edward Orgeron - have done. They relaxed just ever so slightly and fell off the top of the mountain.
This post was edited on 10/24/21 at 12:18 am
Posted on 10/24/21 at 12:13 am to yimbeaux
You make a good point right there.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 12:16 am to LaTx
Right, Smart has not reached the pinnacle, but he does not let the program slip. He's good for 10 or 11 wins a year. He's contending for the playoff most seasons. I don't want to suck his pecker like you're inferring, but I'll give credit where it's due. He's recruiting very well, and he's contending.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 1:39 am to jgriffith
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:17 am to jgriffith
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es, but there is one skill Saban has mastered that I'm not seeing in any candidate out there, and that is OVERCOMING THE HUMAN CONDITION. It was after that bastard left LSU and after Miami Dolphins that he perfected his art to a degree I've rarely seen. Granted, Skip Bertman is a guru at it too, but it's a different sport so I'll stay on Saban. He has a knack of keeping his coaches and players - MORE TIMES THAN NOT - 100% focused and to not relax/to sustain the success. The Human Condition is to relax, particularly after you've achieved great success. This is exactly what countless others - both players and coaches i.e. Edward Orgeron - have done. They relaxed just ever so slightly and fell off the top of the mountain.
Coach Brain Kelly is an SOB that doesn't play games... Give me the SOB!
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:34 am to jgriffith
With more seasoning and patience I think Dave Aranda has the intelligence and discipline to become an elite. He gets it but needs a good OC to help him be truly elite.
LSU probably couldn’t do any better than DA from the standpoint of class, ability and untapped potential.
LSU probably couldn’t do any better than DA from the standpoint of class, ability and untapped potential.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:36 am to jgriffith
You'll never hire another Saban. We need a good recruiter who can lock down one side of the ball and have us consistently in the top 10-15 and in the mix for the SEC West more years than not.
Posted on 10/24/21 at 2:40 am to fallguy_1978
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We need a good recruiter
We've just had that guy... We need an elite program manager.
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