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re: People still don't understand net worth/wealth vs income
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:51 am to delta saint
Posted on 9/16/21 at 1:51 am to delta saint
One of the more popular Marxist critiques has to do not with income, but with income "inequity".
The premise being that if individuals start a US car company (Tesla) or Internet Retailer (Amazon) from scratch, and become the world's two richest men in the process, that McDonald's should then pay its workers more to close the newly arisen income gap.
It makes little pragmatic sense.
But the US Left does a hell of a job promoting it. Your "poor getting more poor" misperception being a perfect example.
As a messaging aid, they'll publish "quintile" charts showing US "income disparity". For example:
It really is not a quintile chart.
Something unique ONLY TO US charts is the inevitable addition of Top 5% or Top 1% or Top 0.1% growth lines.
Keep in mind, the Top 5% or Top 1% or Top 0.1% growth lines are already a component of the "Top Quintile".
So why break them out?
Because as the sample size diminishes, samples are increasingly distorted by massive FIRST GENERATION WEALTH of new US entrepreneurs (Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Ellison, Bloomberg, etc). The concept of rising from limited means to become one of the world's wealthiest people in a matter of a decade or two defines American Exceptionalism. Yet that exceptionalism is what these US income inequity charts are specifically designed to highlight and criticize.
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Put another way, here is identical data from the chart above, but now only showing quintiles (i.e., without the added "Top 5%" line)
Now compare it with a similar chart from the UK.
The premise being that if individuals start a US car company (Tesla) or Internet Retailer (Amazon) from scratch, and become the world's two richest men in the process, that McDonald's should then pay its workers more to close the newly arisen income gap.
It makes little pragmatic sense.
But the US Left does a hell of a job promoting it. Your "poor getting more poor" misperception being a perfect example.
As a messaging aid, they'll publish "quintile" charts showing US "income disparity". For example:
quote:In accordance with the adage "Figures don't lie, but liars figure," the chart above is misleading.
It really is not a quintile chart.
Something unique ONLY TO US charts is the inevitable addition of Top 5% or Top 1% or Top 0.1% growth lines.
Keep in mind, the Top 5% or Top 1% or Top 0.1% growth lines are already a component of the "Top Quintile".
So why break them out?
Because as the sample size diminishes, samples are increasingly distorted by massive FIRST GENERATION WEALTH of new US entrepreneurs (Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, Gates, Ellison, Bloomberg, etc). The concept of rising from limited means to become one of the world's wealthiest people in a matter of a decade or two defines American Exceptionalism. Yet that exceptionalism is what these US income inequity charts are specifically designed to highlight and criticize.
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Put another way, here is identical data from the chart above, but now only showing quintiles (i.e., without the added "Top 5%" line)
quote:
Now compare it with a similar chart from the UK.
quote:
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 2:04 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 2:12 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
One of the more popular Marxist critiques has to do not with income, but with income "inequity".
Yeah, one of the things America definitely leads the world in is the development of bullshite statistics to fit political narratives. Another thing we’re world class in is graduating retards incapable of seeing through bullshite.
That said, I think the arguments for/against raising income taxes or passing a wealth tax should contemplate the sorry state of “capitalism” as practiced in this country, and even more - the politics of taxation have changed dramatically since Reagan-era debates.
Put another way, I couldn’t give a frick how much money Zuckerberg, Brin, Page, Gates, Bezos, Bloomberg, etc have where “who has how much” is concerned, but I’m not really excited about the new America these assholes are ushering in.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 2:30 am
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