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re: Natural antibody vs vaccine antibody

Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by OleSkuleTgr
Member since Jun 2013
252 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:29 pm to
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Joe Biden is a political “expert” I guess eve thing he says is fact to you too..... Another nice deflection


No different than your deflection of “Facebook video”. Can you dispute the info in the video? I understand that this video has a certain religious undertone to it so people will automatically discard the content. The fact is that I’ve heard lots of others claim that the vaccines are causing the virus to mutate. I have not heard one expert dispute this.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
78148 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:38 pm to
You havent wanted to hear, and the poster above you already disputed it.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26123 posts
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:13 pm to
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The fact is that I’ve heard lots of others claim that the vaccines are causing the virus to mutate. I have not heard one expert dispute this.


First, anyone saying "the vaccine causes a virus to mutate" is dead wrong, full stop.

Mutations go on all the time in every kingdom of life. Oak trees have mutations, humans have mutations, and viruses have mutations. The number of mutations are dependant on mainly two things the number of reproductive cycles and the particular organism's accuracy when reproducing its genetic material.

COVID is a RNA virus. Two traits important to mutations are they have huge numbers of reproductive cycles and they are have relatively low accuracy in the reproduction of their genetic material, so they produce LOTS of mutations, thousands were sequenced in the first couple of months of the pandemic.

Whether an individual mutation is more or less transmissible or more or less deadly is not by any choice of the vaccine it isn't sentient and outside of humans no earthly organisms has any conscious control over what pops out during a reproduction cycle. Mutations are simply a genetic roll of the dice.

Now what you are likely conflating with the vaccines "causing mutations" is vaccines putting evolutionary pressure on a virus.

A virus just wants to find a host and reproduce. If you put up a roadblock to this, say a vaccine or a prophylactic medicine* the virus doesn't think about how to get around it it just keeps reproducing until it is wiped out and maybe one of the mutations can end-run the roadblock. If a virus makes that end run and reproduces and is fortunate enough to get passed around enough it might become a vaccine-resistant strain (or medicine resistant).

The key here is yes the vaccine can put evolutionary pressure on this or any virus but so can therapeutics, prophylaxis, or the natural immune system. This is what they conveniently leave out. Viruses have been mutating since the beginning of time without pressure from medicine or vaccines.

This is what I would suggest to anyone wanting to do COVID research on their own. First make sure you have at least a solid command of high school biology (A in the class and fresh in the mind) including vaccine science. If you don't have that now teach yourself with sources that were written/produced BEFORE COVID. This ensures you avoid anything written around a COVID bias either way. If you do that faithfully then you will be able to smell the bullshite a mile away from 95% of the bullshitters.

The biggest "problem" with misinformation is the average person doesn't remember enough about biology to recognize when someone veers away from the basic science.


* bet you haven't heard those same people point out ivermectin places evolutionary pressure on the virus have you and inexact dosing or periodic dosing (that moves in and out of the prophylactic levels)could actually be very bad the above is written arguendo that ivermectin has any positive effect on COVID

This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 3:20 pm
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