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More fuel for the topic.. to vax or not vax?

Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:00 pm
Do you really want this jab?


Risk report
Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
3799 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:07 pm to
Pro-Vaccine SCIENCE!!11!!!! folks be like:



It really is an interesting paper and very well written

This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:09 pm to
Cliffs notes like I have the scientific mind of a pre-K student, please.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16663 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:11 pm to
If it was safe and effective

1. Manufacturers would not have immunity from liability.
2. People would not have to be brow beat into taking it.
Posted by how333
Member since Dec 2020
3978 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:13 pm to
Say it isn't so.... You mean...you mean...our government and the media has been lying to us. That can't be. CNN said so.
Posted by Mattmac12
Member since Aug 2021
1167 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:15 pm to
Make them liable I’ll take it tomorrow. My moneys safe
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

2. People would not have to be brow beat into taking it.


See, this is the important one. If this disease was killing people left and right, Id have crawled through broken glass to take it. Even so, I hemmed and hawed about it and decided to take it back in April after having has a doctor's visit.

But the fact that everyone understands that while there have been a lot of people that have died, the VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST majority of people have recovered fine is why people are hesitant in taking this. They are pushing this vaccine like the kill rate after having contracted Covid is 50% and the disconnect is staggering.
Posted by LosTigres251
Plano
Member since Mar 2018
1611 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:20 pm to
Nah, I will pass. Im healthy and young and Ive already had it and now have natural antibodies for now. Theres other therapies that are much safer and will eventually come out.

Im sure 1 day I will get again, because this virus will be with us forever and just like the fist time, I will have a 99.5% chance of surviving.

Thanks Fauci.
Posted by Landmass
Premium Member
Member since Jun 2013
24761 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:32 pm to
I wonder how many people will call it bullshite just because they don't like it.

Thanks for the write-up.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14965 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:36 pm to
How do I put this...that is not a "real" journal"

LINK

quote:

Obviously this is a quack journal. In addition to the excellent points others have made, look at the editorial board, the supposed experts who direct this publication:

Editor-in-chief: John W. Oller, Jr., PhD in General Linguistics from the University of Rochester in New York, now a professor at ipaknowledge.org and consultant to Veritas International University… A professor of linguistics, now working at a website and as a “consultant:” how is he a vaccine expert?

Senior editor: Christopher A. Shaw, PhD, Professor, Department of Ophthalmology, University of British Columbia… A real college at least, but again, wrong area of study.
But here’s the real kickers in the associate editors list:

Mary S. Holland, MA, JD, General Counsel for Children's Health Defense 2019-present; formerly Director Graduate Lawyering Program, New York University School of Law 2004-2019; expertise in children's health and litigation concerning vaccines; renowned author of works in that area. A lot of “former” here, an anti-vaccine litigation professional, and “renowned” author of unlisted “works;” no real journal uses a fluff word like “renowned” in describing its editors.

Robert J. Krakow, JD, Law Office of Robert J. Krakow, Representing the Vaccine Injured in All 50 States. All credibility is now gone. This man has a vested interest in seeking or manufacturing evidence against vaccines.

Always check out a journal’s background and board as well as its content. Lawyers don’t belong on the editorial board of a medical journal.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21797 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:39 pm to
quote:

How do I put this...that is not a "real" journal"

So you're saying their suggestions should be discounted because they don't have the credentials that the people who have defined "Covid death" to include suicides, murders and car accidents have?
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:47 pm to
I see you!


Posted by Snake Arbuckle
Member since Aug 2021
48 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:48 pm to
I did so many drugs when I was young that this vax doesn't scare me at all
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65137 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:48 pm to
I guess it was all false?
Posted by AmishSamurai
Member since Feb 2020
3799 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

How do I put this...that is not a "real" journal"


Nice Ad Hominem you have there ...


Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

I did so many drugs when I was young that this vax doesn't scare me at all



Sorry Keith, the rest of us are mortal.

Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5524 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

If it was safe and effective . . . People would not have to be brow beat into taking it.


This is the definition of circular logic. I’m not taking the vaccine because it’s not safe or effective. I know this because if it was safe and effective I would be willing to take the vaccine.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21797 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

This is the definition of circular logic. I’m not taking the vaccine because it’s not safe or effective. I know this because if it was safe and effective I would be willing to take the vaccine.

You seem to be forgetting that 150 million people have taken the vaccines, and that a person considering taking it now can look at their experience and the data generated from that population to make his/her judgment. Also, it's perfectly logical to be skeptical of people/their efforts that have proven over and over to be woefully ineffective, politically motivated and borderline retarded. That's not circular logic.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60691 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 3:14 pm to
quote:

But the fact that everyone understands that while there have been a lot of people that have died, the VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST majority of people have recovered fine is why people are hesitant in taking this. They are pushing this vaccine like the kill rate after having contracted Covid is 50% and the disconnect is staggering.

I think everyone with a brain knows this. But from a public health concern they must look at it differently. As a whole we have a crap load of people in the hospital costing us a crap load of money. Take the shot, dont take the shot, but surely we can all see that the goals for an individual are not the same as the needs for the collective in all cases.

Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60691 posts
Posted on 8/20/21 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

You seem to be forgetting that 150 million people have taken the vaccines, and that a person considering taking it now can look at their experience and the data generated from that population to make his/her judgment
Yet when non vaxxers are shown the data that shows it to be effective at reducing severe illness, that any serious side effects are rare they just resort back to the 'you cant trust anything' And here we go again. It is a giant retarded circle.
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