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No American Military Leader Should Ever Say What Lloyd Austin Said

Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:22 pm
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/08/no-american-military-leader-should-ever-say-what-lloyd-austin-said/

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at a Pentagon briefing Wednesday, when Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin was asked about the U.S. military’s capability to get its citizens out of Afghanistan, his answer was jaw-dropping: “We don’t have the capability to go out and collect large numbers of people.” You have to watch Austin deliver this line to grasp its full air of defeatism about a place where our military has moved about with some impunity for two decades, while General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a fellow Army lifer, stood by looking as if someone had just shot his dog.

The best Austin could offer was a promise to try, at least for a while: “We’re gonna get everyone that we can possibly evacuate evacuated, and I’ll do that as long as we possibly can, until the clock runs out, or we run out of capability. . . . I don’t have the capability to go out and extend operations currently into Kabul.”

This is unacceptable. This is un-American. This is not what our Army is about. Can you imagine, say, Norman Schwarzkopf — to say nothing of Dwight Eisenhower or Douglas MacArthur — giving that answer? What is wrong with these men? What have they been doing with the $700 billion we spend on national defense? What do they think that money is for, if not to protect Americans in danger, be they at home or abroad, civilians or military?

Hardly anything is more central to the ethos of our Army than the credo, “Leave no man behind.” When we evacuate or retreat — and even the best armies must expect do these things from time to time — no stone is unturned, no risk unrun to make certain that we leave nobody behind. That is drilled into every soldier from the very start of their training. Secretary Austin and General Milley have, between them, nearly 80 years of service in the Army behind them, a good part of that in combat. How can they have become so immersed in the culture of bureaucracy that they have forgotten who they are and where they came from?

Austin and Milley should be sacked immediately and replaced with people who know what their job is. Abraham Lincoln would have demanded their resignations, as he did repeatedly to generals who wouldn’t fight. He sacked his first secretary of war and exiled him to Russia. Joe Biden could take a lesson.

It doesn’t matter how hard the job is, or how strained the military’s capacity is right now. It doesn’t even matter if you expect from experience that the mission will fall short of its goals. You do not say out loud that we cannot guarantee the safe evacuation of Americans from the clutches of the Taliban. You do not even allow yourself to think it so long as you have tools at your disposal to prevent it. The lives of over 10,000 Americans and the credibility of the nation’s promise to protect them are at stake. The only acceptable answers in this situation are twofold, and they should be declared long and loud so that the entire world can hear them:

One, we will move heaven and earth to get every last American home safely.

Two, if even a hair on their heads should be harmed, we will paint the streets with Taliban blood on our way out the door in retribution.

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In hours of crisis, nations and armies survive on a can-do spirit and a determination to overcome every obstacle. When the British Expeditionary Force was stranded at Dunkirk, Winston Churchill didn’t say, “Well, we don’t have the capability.” When the Royal Navy was short of that capacity, he put out a call for volunteers and sent civilian fishing boats — some of them even with civilian sailors — across the English Channel into a war zone under the threat of bombardment by the Luftwaffe. When the Soviets blockaded West Berlin in 1948, Harry Truman launched the Berlin Airlift; American and British relief planes flew 250,000 missions to keep West Berlin supplied, collectively flying almost the distance from the earth to the Sun. In 1942, when the USS Yorktown returned to Hawaii from the Battle of the Coral Sea needing months’ worth of repair, Admiral Chester Nimitz did not say, “Sorry, we do not have the capability.” He met the ship at the docks with 1,400 workmen who labored around the clock and put the carrier back to sea in less than three days, changing the course of the Battle of Midway. In 1914, when Paris was threatened, General Joseph Gallieni pressed thousands of taxis into service to ensure that every soldier he could find was able to get to the Marne to stop the German advance. In the fall of 1863, when the Union garrison at Chattanooga was nearly surrounded and starving, Secretary of War Edwin Stanton did not say, “We do not have the capability.” He summoned the presidents of all the railroads to his office, worked through the night commandeering and personally rerouting their schedules, and had men on the move within 40 hours. Within less than two weeks, 20,000 men had reached Chattanooga with all their artillery, horses, and baggage.

And Joe Biden? He went back to his vacation.

Even amidst the collapse and national war-weariness at the end of the Vietnam War, Gerald Ford did not accept that Americans should be left behind and held hostage. When the merchant vessel the SS Mayaguez was captured by the Khmer Rouge and its crew held hostage, Ford sent in the Marines. When some of his Electronic Data Systems employees were taken by the Iranians in 1979, Ross Perot did not throw his hands up and say, “We’re a computer company, not an army.” He hired a private commando force, including military veterans working for EDS, and had his men rescued. Even Jimmy Carter at least attempted the same thing.


I couldn't agree with this article more. We have a sacred obligation to get our people out.

This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 1:24 pm
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:25 pm to
Lloyd is not an "An American Military Leader". He was placed in his position because of his skin color.

Of course, the entirety of top military is nothing but a mishmash of other insane social policies.

Every military leader of the entire US history is rolling in their graves at the mess that the communists and democrats are inflicting on the USA
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15067 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:34 pm to
This is awarding people jobs vs earning them in a nutshell.

It happens at my company. They wonder why the last shutdown we had went so fricking bad... well several key positions were filled NOT based on experience and looks what happens...

In a place with a lot of people you can hide some of these appointments/hires, but once the company trims back personnel they can't be hidden anymore.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9027 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:34 pm to
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Lloyd James Austin III (born August 8, 1953) is an American retired United States Army four-star general serving as the 28th United States secretary of


Based on the bio .....I would presume a former Four Star and current Department of Defense Secretary .... More than qualifies as a Military Leader.

We can talk all day about being a Black SOB with an Agenda running the military...thus disqualifying him as a leader ...But technically he more than qualifies.

After all Afghanistan is his baby now.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18420 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:42 pm to
I don't know why we can't slip a few Abrams on the Cargo jets. Maybe a longbow or two.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
7326 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:43 pm to
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We don’t have the capability


Patton would have punched this guy in the face for saying that. You're the military, make the capability! But first, don't broadcast to the enemy that you are a completely clueless pussy.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
10855 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:43 pm to
This is how worthless human lives are to Democrat Marxists. They are self serving and use humans like toilet paper to get power at all costs. Their use of minorities, Antifa, BLM etc are perfect examples.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14320 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:46 pm to
quote:

Based on the bio .....I would presume a former Four Star and current Department of Defense Secretary .... More than qualifies as a Military Leader.

We can talk all day about being a Black SOB with an Agenda running the military...thus disqualifying him as a leader ...But technically he more than qualifies.

After all Afghanistan is his baby now.
Miley is a 4 star. Do you think he's an effective Chair of the Joint Chiefs? That dude seems to be more concerned about social justice, than the effectiveness of our military.

Just because you attain a position, does not mean you deserve it or are qualified for it.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

Lloyd is not an "An American Military Leader". He was placed in his position because of his skin color.



They even needed a special exemption to get him approved as Secretary of Defense.


Out of all the great people they could have appointed, they just had to have this guy.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18420 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:51 pm to
Be seated.

Men, all this stuff you hear about America not wanting to fight, wanting to stay out of the war, is a lot of horse dung. Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. That's why Americans have never lost and will never lose a war. The very thought of losing is hateful to Americans. Battle is the most significant competition in which a man can indulge. It brings out all that is best and it removes all that is base.

You are not all going to die. Only two percent of you right here today would be killed in a major battle. Every man is scared in his first action. If he says he's not, he's a goddamn liar. But the real hero is the man who fights even though he's scared. Some men will get over their fright in a minute under fire, some take an hour, and for some it takes days. But the real man never lets his fear of death overpower his honor, his sense of duty to his country, and his innate manhood.

All through your army career you men have bitched about what you call 'this chicken-shite drilling.' That is all for a purpose—to ensure instant obedience to orders and to create constant alertness. This must be bred into every soldier. I don't give a frick for a man who is not always on his toes. But the drilling has made veterans of all you men. You are ready! A man has to be alert all the time if he expects to keep on breathing. If not, some German son-of-a-bitch will sneak up behind him and beat him to death with a sock full of shite. There are four hundred neatly marked graves in Sicily, all because one man went to sleep on the job—but they are German graves, because we caught the bastard asleep before his officer did.

An army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, and fights as a team. This individual hero stuff is bullshite. The bilious bastards who write that stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real battle than they do about fricking. And we have the best team—we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity these poor bastards we're going up against.

All the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters. Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. What if every truck driver decided that he didn't like the whine of the shells and turned yellow and jumped headlong into a ditch? That cowardly bastard could say to himself, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in thousands.' What if every man said that? Where in the hell would we be then? No, thank God, Americans don't say that. Every man does his job. Every man is important. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns, the quartermaster is needed to bring up the food and clothes for us because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal. Every last damn man in the mess hall, even the one who boils the water to keep us from getting the GI shits, has a job to do.

Each man must think not only of himself, but think of his buddy fighting alongside him. We don't want yellow cowards in the army. They should be killed off like flies. If not, they will go back home after the war, goddamn cowards, and breed more cowards. The brave men will breed more brave men. Kill off the goddamn cowards and we'll have a nation of brave men.

One of the bravest men I saw in the African campaign was on a telegraph pole in the midst of furious fire while we were moving toward Tunis. I stopped and asked him what the hell he was doing up there. He answered, 'Fixing the wire, sir.' 'Isn't it a little unhealthy up there right now?' I asked. 'Yes sir, but this goddamn wire has got to be fixed.' I asked, 'Don't those planes strafing the road bother you?' And he answered, 'No sir, but you sure as hell do.' Now, there was a real soldier. A real man. A man who devoted all he had to his duty, no matter how great the odds, no matter how seemingly insignificant his duty appeared at the time.

And you should have seen the trucks on the road to Gabès. Those drivers were magnificent. All day and all night they crawled along those son-of-a-bitch roads, never stopping, never deviating from their course with shells bursting all around them. Many of the men drove over 40 consecutive hours. We got through on good old American guts. These were not combat men. But they were soldiers with a job to do. They were part of a team. Without them the fight would have been lost.

Sure, we all want to go home. We want to get this war over with. But you can't win a war lying down. The quickest way to get it over with is to get the bastards who started it. We want to get the hell over there and clean the goddamn thing up, and then get at those purple-pissing Japs. The quicker they are whipped, the quicker we go home. The shortest way home is through Berlin and Tokyo. So keep moving. And when we get to Berlin, I am personally going to shoot that paper-hanging son-of-a-bitch Hitler.

When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, a Boche will get him eventually. The hell with that. My men don't dig foxholes. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and showing the Germans that we've got more guts than they have or ever will have. We're not just going to shoot the bastards, we're going to rip out their living goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy Hun cocksuckers by the bushel-fricking-basket.

Some of you men are wondering whether or not you'll chicken out under fire. Don't worry about it. I can assure you that you'll all do your duty. War is a bloody business, a killing business. The Nazis are the enemy. Wade into them, spill their blood or they will spill yours. Shoot them in the guts. Rip open their belly. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt from your face and you realize that it's not dirt, it's the blood and gut of what was once your best friend, you'll know what to do.

I don't want any messages saying 'I'm holding my position.' We're not holding a goddamned thing. We're advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding anything except the enemy's balls. We're going to hold him by his balls and we're going to kick him in the arse; twist his balls and kick the living shite out of him all the time. Our plan of operation is to advance and keep on advancing. We're going to go through the enemy like shite through a tinhorn.

Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
18420 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:51 pm to
There will be some complaints that we're pushing our people too hard. I don't give a damn about such complaints. I believe that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder we push, the more Germans we kill. The more Germans we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing harder means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that. My men don't surrender. I don't want to hear of any soldier under my command being captured unless he is hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight. That's not just bullshite either. I want men like the lieutenant in Libya who, with a Luger against his chest, swept aside the gun with his hand, jerked his helmet off with the other and busted the hell out of the Boche with the helmet. Then he picked up the gun and he killed another German. All this time the man had a bullet through his lung. That's a man for you!

Don't forget, you don't know I'm here at all. No word of that fact is to be mentioned in any letters. The world is not supposed to know what the hell they did with me. I'm not supposed to be commanding this army. I'm not even supposed to be in England. Let the first bastards to find out be the goddamned Germans. Some day, I want them to rise up on their piss-soaked hind legs and howl 'Ach! It's the goddamned Third Army and that son-of-a-bitch Patton again!'

Then there's one thing you men will be able to say when this war is over and you get back home. Thirty years from now when you're sitting by your fireside with your grandson on your knee and he asks, 'What did you do in the great World War Two?' You won't have to cough and say, 'Well, your granddaddy shoveled shite in Louisiana.' No sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say 'Son, your granddaddy rode with the great Third Army and a son-of-a-goddamned-bitch named George Patton!'

All right, you sons of bitches. You know how I feel. I'll be proud to lead you wonderful guys in battle anytime, anywhere. That's all.Americans
Posted by Jokey1968
In a house
Member since Oct 2015
360 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:52 pm to
What’s racist about it? Look at the majority of the black communities, at how they destroy each other. Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta are prime examples. The places that I’ve worked that started hiring because of affirmative action and quotas didn’t take long for the place to turn into a shite show.
Hopefully, I’ll never have to work beside an African Negro again as long as I live. All they did was bitch and complain.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35043 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:52 pm to
Yet somehow people think we can stop China from taking Taiwan.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

We can talk all day about being a Black SOB with an Agenda running the military...thus disqualifying him as a leader ...But technically he more than qualifies.



You bet he qualifies. Just ask Raytheon.

https://andmagazine.com/talk/2021/07/23/lloyd-austin-raytheons-secretary-of-defense/


Lloyd Austin – Raytheon’s Secretary Of Defense?


The Secretary of Defense is supposed to be a civilian. That is to ensure civilian control over the military. He is also supposed to work on behalf of the American people – not the military-industrial complex.

Nevertheless, our current Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, is a retired Army general who needed a waiver just to take the post. He is also a former senior executive with Raytheon – one of the world’s biggest defense contractors and a major supplier of weapons systems to the Pentagon.

Austin joined the board of United Technologies Corporation, which owned Pratt & Whitney when he retired from the Army in 2016. He became a director of Raytheon after it acquired United Technologies in April 2020.

You might think this sounds like a massive conflict of interest and a very bad idea. You would be right on both counts. Having Austin as Secretary of Defense effectively makes a mockery of all the supposed ethical restrictions in place. Austin has assured us that he will not intervene on behalf of Raytheon in the awarding of contracts. He has also, however, assured us that he reserves the right to request an exception to this policy when and if he so desires.

Such an exception would be granted by the ethics office in the Pentagon. That office works for Austin. Presumably, that means the chances he would get an exception to his own policy – if he requests one – is high.

No word on how or if we will know when such an exception has been granted either.

To put the matters at stake in context, maybe it would help to look at just some of the business Raytheon has conducted with the Pentagon since Austin took over.

Last week, the U.S. Air Force awarded Raytheon a $2 billion contract to develop new air-launched cruise missiles. These missiles would be used by American bombers. The contract in question runs through 2027.

On February 1, 2021, Raytheon received a $290,704,534 contract from the Pentagon to produce equipment for maintenance facilities and provide services in support of the F-35 fighter bomber.

On February 26, 2021, Raytheon was awarded an $18,662,845 contract to provide support services for the Javelin anti-tank weapons system.

On the same day, Raytheon was awarded a $32,853,210 contract for autonomous swarm strike loitering munitions, also known as “suicide drones,”.

On March 23,, 2021 Raytheon received a $63,301,453 contract for repair of the APG G5-73 all weather-sensor radar system, which is operational in the U.S. Navy’s F-18 fighter jet, and another $10,246,288 contract for repair of military jet engines.

On March 26, 2021, Raytheon was awarded another huge contract valued at $518,443,821 to produce advanced air-to-air missiles for the Air Force.

Then on March 30, 2021, Raytheon was given a $130 million contract for upgrades to Navy missile systems. The next day, Raytheon won two more contracts worth a total of $138 million.

On April 30, 2021, Raytheon was awarded a $234,012,036 contract for work on GPS systems for the Air Force. The same day Raytheon was awarded a $212,701,232 contract for work on the StormBreaker smart bomb system.

In June, Raytheon was awarded a contract for $2,271,181,543 under the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA).

Earlier this month Raytheon won a $172 million dollar contract for work on Navy electronic warfare aircraft.

All the information above is representative only. It is not intended to be anything close to an exhaustive review of all the contracts Raytheon has been granted since Austin took over.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
80163 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

We don’t have the capability



what he meant was,

we don't have the will
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

No American Military Leader Should Ever Say What Lloyd Austin Said


So, he should lie?

There is no realistic military plan that could help in any significant manner right now, but even if there was... its not a military operation.
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted by Crumblingcountry
Member since Jul 2021
559 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:54 pm to
Chicago?
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
9613 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:55 pm to
the Potomac two-step .....

quote:

In Libya, rather than Hillary Clinton and CIA Director Leon Panetta getting busted for selling surface-to-air missiles (SAMS) to al-Qaeda (Operation Zero Footprint), the State Department and CIA -essentially brother and sister agencies- helped “the Benghazi rebels” take over the Kadaffi weapons caches.

If SAMS were then used elsewhere (Syria), well, they came from Kadaffi’s stores… see how that works?

Based on current political alignment, alliances, and the ideology behind who is in charge of specific U.S. government agencies, it can reasonably be assumed someone (insert Obama here) wants Pakistan and Iran to have advanced military technology via the stolen weapons we leave behind in Afghanistan. Why? Because those same people already made money selling advanced military tech to Iran, and this ‘crisis’ provides cover when it shows up later in their arsenal.

$1 to sundance
This post was edited on 8/19/21 at 1:58 pm
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
7623 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:55 pm to


Gen. Patton said he would relieve Bastogne and he did. He drove 3rd Army through the snow and Nazis during December and did it. He would have kicked Austin on his arse. I read Austin's bio . There must be 2 different versions out there. Seems he went straight from West Point to a command staff. He must be some kind of genius or have some good connections. He is not a genius Now.
Posted by GeauxFightingTigers1
Member since Oct 2016
12574 posts
Posted on 8/19/21 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

Gen. Patton said he would relieve Bastogne and he did. He drove 3rd Army through the snow and Nazis during December and did it.


Gen Patton would not be able to solve the present issue.
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