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re: "Leaky" vaccines= worsening viruses
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:35 am to Korkstand
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:35 am to Korkstand
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It's hard to compare data this way because everything is different. Different levels of natural and vaccine immunity in the population, different levels of existing case numbers, different strains. And it's hard to argue counter-factuals and "what ifs" (what if people were vaccinated last year, what if they weren't this year, what if delta was around last year). The assumption is that delta is more contagious but less harmful than other strains, but is there real evidence for that? It seems to be impacting younger groups harder. Is that just the nature of it, or would it hit all ages harder if older people weren't vaccinated at higher rates?
How much into the weeds do you think the numbers get considering that 80-90% of the current hospitalizations are unvaccinated?
I will concur that making such comparisons is difficult and not perfect, but sometimes it’s the best we have.
But ar least I’m not the CDC making sweeping recommendations based on poorly designed, concluded, and/or representative studies.
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:35 am to heatom2
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Because the current variants were around before mass vaccinations occurred
Source?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:39 am to Korkstand
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The unvaccinated are far more likely to be hospitalized. I may be wrong, but I would imagine that if people weren't ending up in the hospital then leadership would be less reactionary.
According to CDC data, at it’s peak only 7.4% of Emergency Department visits were diagnosed with Covid-19. (Source is their Covid-19 data tracker). We’re now down to 5.6%.
36.7 million people have tested positive for Covid-19 over the past year and a half. That includes false positives. Out of a population of 332.6 million, that means 89% of our population have never had it at any time. Many of us have likely had close proximity contact with people who had it (because we’ve been eating at restaurants and going to comedy shows and concerts) and still never caught it. We’re currently down to a 7 day moving average of 108,000 positives nationally. The math works out to 0.03% of our population currently having a confirmed case.
The data just doesn’t alarm me. What am I overlooking in my risk assessment that would cause me to be more drawn to supporting vaccine mandates as a public policy position or even a personal health decision?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:41 am to funnystuff
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The paper finds that leaky vaccines only pose an elevated threat for unvaccinated individuals. So if you are worried about a leaky vaccine putting you at risk, fortunately, there is a very straight forward solution... just get the vaccine
But yet, this fights the whole false narrative of pandemic of the unvaccinated. In fact it is being spread by the vaccinated.
Additionally this puts into play a greater concern for those people who cannot get the vaccine for medical reasons. Now vaccinating people around them puts them at a great risk (possibly) that was not present before.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:46 am to RealityTiger
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The problem I have with this is that I had to cover for the "control group" for pretty much the entire month of July while your group was away from work because of having Covid.
No worries. Karma will hit those people when they eventually will have to cover for you due to the long term health effects from those who chose to have their immune system get artificially jump started with spike proteins created by the vaccine.
Caution: the above reply contains an unknown humor/truth ratio.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 11:47 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 11:56 am to winkchance
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But yet, this fights the whole false narrative of pandemic of the unvaccinated. In fact it is being spread by the vaccinated.
Yet still, a 99.8 percent survivability. This is the biggest money grab by big pharm ever.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:54 pm to Willie Stroker
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that means 89% of our population have never had it at any time
I'm not sure I agree with that. How many got it before the tests were implemented? How many were completely asymptomatic? How many had it and didn't get tested?
This entire fear porn propaganda, from the beginning, has been a manipulation of numbers. You have a 99.9% chance of surviving the virus. The vaccine, apparently decreases that risk by 80% (estimated). We went from look at the death numbers to look at the cases. When have we ever tracked cases of any virus to this extent. Media manipulation, propaganda, censorship, case tracking, vaccine tracking, travel restrictions on unvaccinated being discussed.
Where is the line in the sand that can't be crossed? Even some of the most conservative voices out there are saying 'take your vax like big brother says'. CLOWN WORLD!
Posted on 8/17/21 at 3:46 pm to RyanMartin835
Something from Attkisson about Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) - LINK
Posted on 8/17/21 at 4:43 pm to Willie Stroker
Get a load of this jackass. You got it all figured out huh?
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