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You take issue with violent offenders receiving prison time as repeat offenders when they're brought up on possession charges? Is that really what you were arguing?

If a violent criminal did his time and got out and then went back to jail because he a dime bag on him, yes, I take issue with that. I don't think anyone should be in jail over weed.

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So Paul Manafort, General Flynn, and all the 1/6 rioters are poor people that get the shitty end of justice, as opposed to, for example, all the wealthy Antifa/BLM rioters using their vast financial resources to get better outcomes from the justice system?

No. Manafort is a crook, Flynn lied to the FBI and the 1/6 insurrectionists at the very least committed criminal trespassing and many of them did much, much more.

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Yeah, because rational adults need to be told by Fox News that kiddie porn is bad, or that the VP's son jetting around on AF2 to shakedown foreign governments/businesses isn't copacetic.

The Trump administration investigated him, right? And kiddie porn and extortion are crimes, right? Did they charge him with that? Those are state crimes too. No enterprising DA wanted a shot. Maybe there's no there, there. That said, as I said before if sufficient evidence that he committed a crime were to come out, I'm all for subjected him to the same justice system that the poor are subject to. He's another rich a-hole to me.

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You seem to think unless all conservatives are indicted (for whatever) and no liberals are involved with the justice system, the justice system must be fair and square from a Right/Left balance perspective

No. I'm saying that your contention that justice is skewed against conservatives is such weak sauce that the first three examples you gave are not just clearly worthy of investigation, but clearly guilty. Last year, there was credible evidence that two Republican Senators committed insider trading by liquidating positions ahead of the COVID crash but after getting private briefings cluing them in on what was coming. Wouldn't they be the single best targets of a Justice System hell bent on hurting conservatives? What about similar insider trading accusations against several members of Trump's cabinet, including McConnell's wife? But you're claiming this grand conspiracy exists because a Republican-led justice department went after Manafort for being a crooked agent of a foreign government(Note: Trump fired Manafort for being a crook and too close to a foreign government), Flynn for lying (Note: Trump fired Flynn for lying), and a bunch of people who filmed themselves committing crimes for committing the crimes found on those films. I mean, i guess.

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Tell me - do you think the IRS was turned against conservatives during Obama?

I think the IRS is turned against non-rich people in that they are, irrespective of which party is in charge, the rich are rarely audited or even policed despite committing tons of fraud.

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Obama's IRS was caught f'n with Obama's political opponents, and a Republican-led congress did not hold anyone to account.

In real life, the Republican congress made up a story about about the IRS was differentially targeting conservative political groups who were committing tax fraud by claiming tax exempt status even thought they were explicitly political. This drove a lot news and made you guys very angry. Both the Republican-led FBI and Republican-led Treasury Department did investigate. And ultimately a Republican FBI Director's report and later a Republican Treasury Dept IG's report both found the IRS was equally targeting liberal groups that were committing tax fraud by claiming tax exempt status even thought they were explicitly political. But once you guys tells yourselves something, there's no talking you out of it, so here we are all these years later and y'all still believe the initial lie. Oy.

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Posted by jimmy the leg

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Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:24 pm to longwayfromLA

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But once you guys tells yourselves something, there's no talking you out of it

I believe you to be a paid shill.

I hope it as obvious to everyone else here as it is to me.

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Posted by David_DJS

Member since Aug 2005

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Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:58 pm to longwayfromLA

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Flynn lied to the FBI and the 1/6 insurrectionists at the very least committed criminal trespassing and many of them did much, much more.

Great. Now do Andy McCabe (among so many others) and the Kavanaugh insurrectionists.

Do you understand what a two-tiered justice system is?

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The Trump administration investigated him, right? And kiddie porn and extortion are crimes, right? Did they charge him with that? Those are state crimes too. No enterprising DA wanted a shot. Maybe there's no there, there.

You're a riot. You argue there's equal justice and as proof, your evidence is the legal system being bent. And let's just pretend we haven't seen all the evidence of Hunter's crimes, right?

Now tell me how my arguments are "weak sauce" again. You are opening some eyes in this thread.

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But you're claiming this grand conspiracy exists because a Republican-led justice department went after Manafort for being a crooked agent of a foreign government

You have a real problem understanding imbalance, "two-tiered justice" - because all you do is argue one side. Yeah, take issue with Republicans doing this and that, and argue their indictments/convictions are proof of criminality. What you're conveniently leaving out of your fair/balanced equation are all the Democrats who've done the same, that never even got legal scrutiny. And to argue that this legal scrutiny never happening is proof that there was nothing there, is retarded, particularly when the evidence is already in the public domain.

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In real life, the Republican congress made up a story about about the IRS was differentially targeting conservative political groups who were committing tax fraud by claiming tax exempt status even thought they were explicitly political. This drove a lot news and made you guys very angry. Both the Republican-led FBI and Republican-led Treasury Department did investigate. And ultimately a Republican FBI Director's report and later a Republican Treasury Dept IG's report both found the IRS was equally targeting liberal groups that were committing tax fraud by claiming tax exempt status even thought they were explicitly political. But once you guys tells yourselves something, there's no talking you out of it, so here we are all these years later and y'all still believe the initial lie. Oy.

From NPR (hardly right wing media):

"The controversy began in 2013 when an IRS official admitted the agency had been aggressively scrutinizing groups with names such as "Tea Party" and "Patriots." It later emerged that liberal groups had been targeted, too, although in smaller numbers.

The IRS stepped up its scrutiny around 2010, as applications for tax-exempt status surged. Tea Party groups were organizing, and court decisions had eased the rules for tax-exempt groups to participate in politics.

In a legal settlement that still awaits a federal judge's approval, the IRS "expresses its sincere apology" for mistreating a conservative organization called Linchpins of Liberty — along with 40 other conservative groups — in their applications for tax-exempt status.

And in a second case, NorCal Tea Party Patriots and 427 other groups suing the IRS also reached a "substantial financial settlement" with the government."

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