my rant is way less to do with TRT and much more about every pussy in the world wanting big daddy goverment to control every thing. If you ever read anything i wrote on other boards, you would know i do the same when it comes to controlling pretty much everything. Last week i was ranting abotu people wanting gambling on sports to stay illegal and to keep prostitution illegal.

People trying to control others on items that do not affect their own personal property rights pisses me the frick off.

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Nobody in their 30's should be on TRT without exhausting every single other option first like proper diet and exercise. We know the things that contribute to low T. In many cases it can be fixed without TRT therapy that is the easy way out. If you try those things and they don't work sure get on TRT.

well since your new to this board you prolly dont know most peoples stories on here. Most that are on it have posted from the beginning when and what happened and asked for advice.

Like myself, i posted years ago when i had suddenly couldnt get my wife pregnant for our third kid. Turns out i had a vericosile which in turn apparently caused me to stop producing much sperm. My test levels were already down in the high 300s by 30. Well to get my wife pregnant i saw one of the best doctors in the world for this after local doctors just wanted to put me on test as they thought that would work. I knew it wouldnt so I went to someone better. He had me on HCG @3000 iu eod and clomid @50mg eod and that was for a year. Doctor told me before hand that it would either have my natural test levels back in normal range or would have to get on trt rest of my life as it would crush my ability to make more due to desenitization. well the opposite happened and we corrected the vericosile and still nothing.

Well when you are 32 and have natural levels in the double digits (70-80ng/dl to be exact) you tend to want to fix that.

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Nobody in their 30's should be on TRT without exhausting every single other option first like proper diet and exercise. We know the things that contribute to low T. In many cases it can be fixed without TRT therapy that is the easy way out. If you try those things and they don't work sure get on TRT.

this we agree on 100% as do almost everyoen on this board. If you had been on here more than a couple minutes before throwing your opinion around you would know that almost everyone that brings it up is discouraged from going directly that route and is advised to get bloodwork to establish baselines before moving to try and fix the issues using other means first.

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There sure are some super defensive people on here for this to be true. Nobody has said TRT isn't a legitimate medial option for some people. I will repeat that very few people in their late 30's should be on TRT unless they did something to suppress their own natural production. Yes we know T levels decline with age but the age ranges I see posted here are laughable. I would exhaust all measures first before jumping on TRT but I understand people wanting to take the easy way and shortcuts because I was once one of those people before I woke up and realized what the hell I was doing.

first off you are way off sayign only time people in late 30s should be on trt unless they supperssed their own production. You dont know people and injuries they may have had, you dont know their body, really dont know shite about them, neither do i.

I do agree with exhausting all measures before trt. Honestly trt kind of sucks after a while. I despise taking my shot and many times i talk myself out of taking the shot for a day or two, sometimes even up to a week or more, because after years the shite fricking sucks.

and this is where we disagree. i dont think taking steroids is a shortcut. its that persons decision and affects me zero, none, nada. Its not my thing but let them do their thing. Maybe they have goals they cant achieve naturally. If they are not competing in anything that bans the use...who the frick cares? ow is it a shortcut? i mean a shortcut to what if its just the guy in the gym trying to get stronger? i mean is using weed to stimulte hunger a shortcut? is creatine? is protein? i mean what is a shortcut and why should anyone give a frick?

my premise is more about i dont give a frick what others do, i dont want government to control any damn thing that doesnt affect my own/families personal property rights. The whole point of roe v wade was the left didnt think the government had a right to interfere in decisions between a doctor and a patient. Yet now we have liberals and so called conservatives screaming for just that. Not just with TRT but with all kinds of shite. Mind your fricking business and learn that opening the door to any and i mean any government action unleashes a shite ton of unintended consequences.