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NFL QB project question: How much does quality competition against weigh?
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:18 am
Posted on 4/27/21 at 7:18 am
Always is interesting come draft time that QBs at these smaller schools get so much run.
Question I always have is, if the guy was so damn good then why is he playing at an NDSU (or insert small FCS schools here)?
It used to be that players couldn’t leave their schools.
Now that’s not the case.
I would rather a guy with the physical tools AND who did his work against the best athletes day in day out and on the sport’s biggest stage.
I’m not taking a QB in the top 10 that is a project.
Question I always have is, if the guy was so damn good then why is he playing at an NDSU (or insert small FCS schools here)?
It used to be that players couldn’t leave their schools.
Now that’s not the case.
I would rather a guy with the physical tools AND who did his work against the best athletes day in day out and on the sport’s biggest stage.
I’m not taking a QB in the top 10 that is a project.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 7:20 am
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Posted on 4/27/21 at 8:01 am to DJT4577
The list is pretty damn long of Top 10-15 drafted QBs from P5 type schools who also didn't pan out.
Take it for what it's worth, because these writers aren't GMs, but I simply Googled "Top QBs 2021 Draft", and this Sporting News bit written this morning popped up.
They name the Top 10 QBs of the draft (in their opinion), and 8 out of the 10 are from P5 schools. And one could argue that BYU football is pretty much a P5 program as well.
LINK
I would also say the fact that someone with such a mediocre college career like Kellen Mond is suddenly getting mentioned more and more and apparently moving up the boards is because GMs and NFL coaches likely are looking at the defenses he faced.
Take it for what it's worth, because these writers aren't GMs, but I simply Googled "Top QBs 2021 Draft", and this Sporting News bit written this morning popped up.
They name the Top 10 QBs of the draft (in their opinion), and 8 out of the 10 are from P5 schools. And one could argue that BYU football is pretty much a P5 program as well.
LINK
I would also say the fact that someone with such a mediocre college career like Kellen Mond is suddenly getting mentioned more and more and apparently moving up the boards is because GMs and NFL coaches likely are looking at the defenses he faced.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 8:03 am
Posted on 4/27/21 at 8:45 am to ragincajun03
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Kellen Mond is suddenly getting mentioned more and more and apparently moving up the boards
some coaches think they are the qb whisperer.
if you can get him in 5th round why not see if he can play nfl qb in two or three years.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:06 am to CelticDog
Talent is where you find it. And even then it's so easy to talk yourself out of what you SEE. As the draft approaches, I leave everyone with the lasting image of the pain on Aaron Rogers's face as he was passed over by one NFL team after another.
The year was 2005 and the 49ers had the first pick in the draft. Aaron Rogers, a lifelong 49er fan and playing at California gave the 49ers the perfect match made in heaven. A selection that promised to carry on the legacy of the great Montana and Young.
After watching his favorite team pick Alex Smith with the number 1 pick in the draft he was asked: “How disappointed are you that you will not be a 49er?”
Rodgers’ answer: “Not as disappointed as the 49ers will be that they didn’t draft me.”
Let's see if the 9ers have learned anything in 16 years.
The year was 2005 and the 49ers had the first pick in the draft. Aaron Rogers, a lifelong 49er fan and playing at California gave the 49ers the perfect match made in heaven. A selection that promised to carry on the legacy of the great Montana and Young.
After watching his favorite team pick Alex Smith with the number 1 pick in the draft he was asked: “How disappointed are you that you will not be a 49er?”
Rodgers’ answer: “Not as disappointed as the 49ers will be that they didn’t draft me.”
Let's see if the 9ers have learned anything in 16 years.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 9:09 am
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:12 am to DJT4577
People who evaluate are looking for a certain profile and measurements more than anything else... it’s more important sometimes did he put the ball in the right place or throw to the correct receiver than if the WR caught the ball in most cases
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:24 am to bamameister
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Let's see if the 9ers have learned anything in 16 years
i talked to them.
they will take rodgers and pay gb the 3rd pick.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:25 am to CelticDog
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they will take rodgers and pay gb the 3rd pick.
Would love to see that, he has wanted to play for the 49ers for a long time.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:39 am to bamameister
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Let's see if the 9ers have learned anything in 16 years.
I get that Rogers was/is a transcendent talent at QB.
However, let's not discount that some of what help Alex Smith back from being successful his first several seasons was the staff and organization. Yes, Rogers probably would have been enough of a talent to possibly rise above that, but he did get the benefit of sitting behind Favre and having some stability in the staff and front office at GB.
Theoretically Rogers to SF could have been a great match, but I'd say for Rogers, a blessing in disguise.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:47 am to ragincajun03
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I get that Rogers was/is a transcendent talent at QB.
However, let's not discount that some of what help Alex Smith back from being successful his first several seasons was the staff and organization. Yes, Rogers probably would have been enough of a talent to possibly rise above that, but he did get the benefit of sitting behind Favre and having some stability in the staff and front office at GB.
Theoretically Rogers to SF could have been a great match, but I'd say for Rogers, a blessing in disguise.
I think it became painfully apparent to the Green Bay staff that they had a starter and a great one sitting on the bench long before Favre was through dominating defenses. Favre had to leave with a lot of bullets still in the gun. A real Young/Montana problem. Rogers would have been fine playing earlier.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 9:51 am to bamameister
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Rogers would have been fine playing earlier.
I completely agree with that, but playing earlier in San Francisco would have proven a bit more challenging.
You mention Montana/Young, and that's a pretty damn good situational comparison. Look at what Young went through his Tampa Bay years though, an organization at the time not too much unlike the SF organization Smith was drafted into. Brutal.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:10 am to bamameister
quote:you mean the organization with the best gm and one of the top 2 qb whisperers in the NFL?
Let's see if the 9ers have learned anything in 16 years.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:15 am to arcalades
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you mean the organization with the best gm and one of the top 2 qb whisperers in the NFL?
Yep, the same organization that picked the now starting QB they are looking to replace.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:26 am to DJT4577
I want a QB who can throw accurately into a tight window consistently. An FCS QB may be able to do that, but I doubt he’s seeing a tight window often enough for an outsider viewer to judge that. A P5 QB will see tight windows and good defenses often enough for a better judgement of their abilities
But Kellen Mond sucks and should not be drafted
But Kellen Mond sucks and should not be drafted
Posted on 4/27/21 at 11:37 am to DJT4577
There have definitely been some great QB’s from non P-5 and even FCS teams. But it’s harder to evaluate for sure, especially on certain things. For instance, in his highlights, Trey Lance is straight up running over fools like he was freaking Herschel Walker. It jumps off of the screen but look who he is doing that against. Try that shite on Devin White and see how it works out.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:03 pm to Upperdecker
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An FCS QB may be able to do that, but I doubt he’s seeing a tight window often enough for an outsider viewer to judge that
WHy wouldn't he necessarily? The receivers he's throwing too are also FCS receivers and probably not gettng the separation that P5 elite receivers are. They also likely don't have the ball skills to catch balls in traffic like P5 receivers either. I think it's kind of a wash. If the kid has arm talent, it doesn't really matter what level he played against in college. The bust rate is high for NFL QBs regardless of what level they played in college.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:05 pm to bamameister
quote:
Talent is where you find it. And even then it's so easy to talk yourself out of what you SEE. As the draft approaches, I leave everyone with the lasting image of the pain on Aaron Rogers's face as he was passed over by one NFL team after another.
The year was 2005 and the 49ers had the first pick in the draft. Aaron Rogers, a lifelong 49er fan and playing at California gave the 49ers the perfect match made in heaven. A selection that promised to carry on the legacy of the great Montana and Young.
After watching his favorite team pick Alex Smith with the number 1 pick in the draft he was asked: “How disappointed are you that you will not be a 49er?”
Rodgers’ answer: “Not as disappointed as the 49ers will be that they didn’t draft me.”
Let's see if the 9ers have learned anything in 16 years.
Aaron Rodgers would have been an epic bust at #1 overall
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:52 pm to DJT4577
Johnny Unitas
Terry Bradshaw
Kurt Warner
Ben Roethlisberger
Phil Simms
Ken O' Brien
Dave Kreig
Neil Lomax
Ron Jaworski
Joe Flacco
Tony Romo
Jimmy Garroppolo
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Steve McNair
Rich Gannon
Doug Williams
Daunte Culpepper
Chad Pennington
Carson Wentz
NFL teams have never cared about quality of competition.
In 1985, 25% of all NFL Qbs were from small Colleges.
Terry Bradshaw
Kurt Warner
Ben Roethlisberger
Phil Simms
Ken O' Brien
Dave Kreig
Neil Lomax
Ron Jaworski
Joe Flacco
Tony Romo
Jimmy Garroppolo
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Steve McNair
Rich Gannon
Doug Williams
Daunte Culpepper
Chad Pennington
Carson Wentz
NFL teams have never cared about quality of competition.
In 1985, 25% of all NFL Qbs were from small Colleges.
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:54 pm to DJT4577
nm
This post was edited on 4/27/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/27/21 at 12:58 pm to DJT4577
quote:
NFL QB project question: How much does quality competition against weigh?
NFL history's littered with QBs who thrived despite playing a lack of quality competition in college and those who busted, it all comes down to intangibles and commitment to football, film study, ability to read defenses, delivering the ball with great touch and when it needs to arrive, etc. Hell, sometimes if your QB lifts mediocre talent to great heights, that's huge plus too.
Posted on 4/27/21 at 1:14 pm to ragincajun03
Ok. I’ll insert ONE name Jordan Love. He played at a D1 school, but yet HE is then answer?????? Green Bay is in trouble for years if they think he is the guy after Rogers leaves..... what a joke of a pick.......
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