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LSU football has two choices (re: big picture/scheduling)
Posted on 9/3/08 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 9/3/08 at 4:50 pm
I. Status quo, where, if the North Texas game is affected, six out of 13 home games in August/September will have been affected by Louisiana's climate.
II. Wise up. The five Saturdays before October should always include:
--A. The Mississippi State game. Half these will be in Starkville, where the hurricane risk is much lower.
--B. A game against a quality non-SEC opponent. Again, half of these will be on the road, likely out of harm's way. Try to schedule these home/away series where the road game happens in the odd-numbered year, opposite the MSU road game.
--C. The Auburn game (current schedule has us on the road in the even-# year).
--D. The UGA/UK/USC/UT/VU game.
--E. An open date (preferably the last weekend of September, giving us a breather before Florida).
--*. Always schedule the obligatory homecoming cupcake in November. Tech seems to always be available and somehow convinced that they a) are not a Sun Belt team and b) have a chance in hell of winning.
If you pick II, you only schedule two Saturdays in Tiger Stadium before October. Of course a little lobbying with the SEC would have to occur, but certainly the SEC would oblige. When LSU has to reschedule, LSU and the SEC are bound to lose money.
This schedule gives us four SEC games by the second week of October, which ultimately means maximum tv exposure since this is when you see schools like Georgia fearlessly defending their #1 ranking against quality FCS schools like Georgia Southern.
So the way this goes regarding the SEC schedule (before any of you cry "too many SEC games too early!") is that in the first six to seven weeks of the season, we play four SEC teams. Then in the last six to seven weeks of the season, we play four more. It spreads out the SEC season pretty evenly, making it, in my opinion, more favorable.
Minimizing the hurricane threat and putting yourself in a better position to win the SEC? No-brainer.
Where am I going wrong?
II. Wise up. The five Saturdays before October should always include:
--A. The Mississippi State game. Half these will be in Starkville, where the hurricane risk is much lower.
--B. A game against a quality non-SEC opponent. Again, half of these will be on the road, likely out of harm's way. Try to schedule these home/away series where the road game happens in the odd-numbered year, opposite the MSU road game.
--C. The Auburn game (current schedule has us on the road in the even-# year).
--D. The UGA/UK/USC/UT/VU game.
--E. An open date (preferably the last weekend of September, giving us a breather before Florida).
--*. Always schedule the obligatory homecoming cupcake in November. Tech seems to always be available and somehow convinced that they a) are not a Sun Belt team and b) have a chance in hell of winning.
If you pick II, you only schedule two Saturdays in Tiger Stadium before October. Of course a little lobbying with the SEC would have to occur, but certainly the SEC would oblige. When LSU has to reschedule, LSU and the SEC are bound to lose money.
This schedule gives us four SEC games by the second week of October, which ultimately means maximum tv exposure since this is when you see schools like Georgia fearlessly defending their #1 ranking against quality FCS schools like Georgia Southern.
So the way this goes regarding the SEC schedule (before any of you cry "too many SEC games too early!") is that in the first six to seven weeks of the season, we play four SEC teams. Then in the last six to seven weeks of the season, we play four more. It spreads out the SEC season pretty evenly, making it, in my opinion, more favorable.
Minimizing the hurricane threat and putting yourself in a better position to win the SEC? No-brainer.
Where am I going wrong?
This post was edited on 9/5/08 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 9/3/08 at 4:57 pm to xiv
do we make our own SEC schedule? other teams might not want to play SEC games that early in the season.
not really attacking your post. its just the first question that popped in my head.
not really attacking your post. its just the first question that popped in my head.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 4:59 pm to xiv
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Tech seems to always be available and somehow convinced that they a) are not a Sun Belt team and
uh, lemme take a WILD guess why they may not think that....hmmmm
i'll also chime in that it's not like the hurricane issues have been an every year occurence. i honestly cant think of a problem prior to katrina.
that doesn't mean that i really disagree with your idea...just that i don't think it is going to be a yearly issue.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 4:59 pm to noonan
quote:noonan, good point. We don't make our own SEC schedule (the SEC ultimately decides, and LSU is 1/12 of that process).
do we make our own SEC schedule?
quote:True, but we almost always play MSU and Auburn before October. To make that a fixture on the schedule likely wouldn't ruffle their feathers. The only difference is one of the UGA/UK/USC/UT/VU games; putting that in September probably wouldn't bother either school that much.
other teams might not want to play SEC games that early in the season.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:02 pm to lsusa
quote:The only one of which I can think is the 2004 Auburn game, which is ironic because it was at Auburn. There was a hurricane on the way, and there was speculation of a postponement. As it was, the game went on without a hitch, and the home team won on a controversial call as usual.
i'll also chime in that it's not like the hurricane issues have been an every year occurence. i honestly cant think of a problem prior to katrina.
quote:True. I don't think it will be an annual issue either, but at what point to you just start taking the precaution? Hurricane issues aside, I see no problem with my scheduling idea anyway.
that doesn't mean that i really disagree with your idea...just that i don't think it is going to be a yearly issue.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:02 pm to lsusa
Global warming is affecting the intensity and frequent occurance of hurricanes. We are fricked. 
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:04 pm to xiv
Nice job. Sounds good in theory. We already have A & C in place for most years (pretty sure).
Our open week is the first Saturday in October this year (so one week off from your point E).
I agree with B (we open up at Washington next year); it seems the negotiations with other schools ALWAYS hit some kind of snag. I am not sure what the issues are here. If they can somehow work it out, I am all for it. It does not have to be a 10 year deal like A&M was, but some regional and/or neutral site agreements where all parties agree on the money.
I do not know how much the SEC schedule can be moved around. Also, if we already have two SEC opponents and a quality home-and-home with a BCS, that is a tough way to break in new teams.
I agree that status quo can be changed though...maybe some mix of what you mention?
Our open week is the first Saturday in October this year (so one week off from your point E).
I agree with B (we open up at Washington next year); it seems the negotiations with other schools ALWAYS hit some kind of snag. I am not sure what the issues are here. If they can somehow work it out, I am all for it. It does not have to be a 10 year deal like A&M was, but some regional and/or neutral site agreements where all parties agree on the money.
I do not know how much the SEC schedule can be moved around. Also, if we already have two SEC opponents and a quality home-and-home with a BCS, that is a tough way to break in new teams.
I agree that status quo can be changed though...maybe some mix of what you mention?
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:04 pm to LSU2010
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Global warming is affecting the intensity and frequent occurance of hurricanes. We are fricked.
thankfully when the earth turns back to a cooling cycle we won't have to worry about such things.
or is this the wrong board for such discussions?
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:10 pm to noonan
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thankfully when the earth turns back to a cooling cycle we won't have to worry about such things. or is this the wrong board for such discussions?
Snowball Earth is much worse.
This post was edited on 9/3/08 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:44 pm to noonan
Not to hijack the thread, but this story seems to indicate an ice age may be on the way. August was the first month without a sunspot in a century.
So much for global warming.
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In the past 1000 years, three previous such events -- the Dalton, Maunder, and Spörer Minimums, have all led to rapid cooling. One was large enough to be called a "mini ice age".
So much for global warming.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:46 pm to xiv
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if the North Texas game is affected, five out of 11 home games in August/September will have been affected by Louisiana's climate.
North Texas would be the third this year. We had four scheduled this year. Where do you get five of 11? You going all the way back to 2005? In that case, it would be more than five out of more than 11. In '06, we had four home games by the end of September, none of which were affected by weather. In '07, none of our three scheduled home games before the end of September were affected.
So, weather-affected games:
2008: 3/4 (AppSt, Troy, NTex)
2007: 0/3
2006: 0/4
2005: 3/3 (NTex, AzSt, Tenn)
I don't see anywhere you can start and end and wind up with five out of 11.
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a little lobbying with the SEC would have to occur, but certainly the SEC would oblige
I doubt it. We'd be expecting three teams every year to play us in a conference game at a time when most prefer to be entertaining cupcakes. I don't think the SEC would force them to accommodate us.
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When LSU has to reschedule, LSU and the SEC are bound to lose money.
LSU certainly loses money, but how does the SEC lose money? They don't get anything out of ticket sales/concessions/inflow of money to the local economy/etc.
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This schedule gives us four SEC games by the second week of October, which ultimately means maximum tv exposure
CBS would throw a fit if we had half our conference games before mid-October. They don't even start doing college football until mid-September, which would mean they would have a reduced number of chances to televise one of the SEC's bigger TV drawing teams.
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in the first six to seven weeks of the season, we play four SEC teams. Then in the last six to seven weeks of the season, we play four more. It spreads out the SEC season pretty evenly, making it, in my opinion, more favorable.
One problem, though, is that late in the season, when jockeying for position in the rankings against teams who are playing their biggest games of the season in October and November, we'll be playing a bunch of cupcakes and not impressing anybody. Better to play those early and then have a big game to show off at crunch time.
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Minimizing the hurricane threat and putting yourself in a better position to win the SEC? No-brainer.
Where am I going wrong?
By assuming that
A) it will put us in a better position to win the SEC. No early cupcakes means no warm-ups for young players. Maybe the opponents would have the same problems when playing us, but they would all likely only have the one game (against us) that early, while we're playing half our conference games early;
and
B) that hurricanes will be a recurring disruption. This is the second year out of the last four that we've had this problem, but it's also the second year out of the last 44. Will hurricanes continue to affect us with this recent frequency? Are we sure enough of that to justify wholesale changes in our scheduling and the modification of the entire SEC's usual scheduling practices?
Posted on 9/3/08 at 5:51 pm to xiv
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True, but we almost always play MSU and Auburn before October. To make that a fixture on the schedule likely wouldn't ruffle their feathers.
MSU yes, but Auburn is frequently in October. It seems that when we're at home, it's in October, and when they're at home, it's in September. It's been that way since '03, although it was reversed in '01 and '02.
One thing I don't like about having the Auburn game so early is that it is generally the biggest game of the year in the SEC West, sort of a mini-version of Florida-Tennessee back in the '90s. It is strange to have the biggest game of the year right at the beginning of the season like that. The LSU-Auburn game should be later in the year.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 7:14 pm to kbdrummer1
2 problems with this idea, though I like the thought behind it. First scheduling is extremely complex. Trying to find dates that work for everybody can be very difficult. Other times its easy. Trying to move one game on a schedule can encounter many problems, it just worked out this year with both teams having the same open date. Second, I thought hurricane season extended into October. I think we have just been unlucky in recent years. Anyone know how many games we had to move prior to that ASU game a few years back. Curious.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 7:33 pm to xiv
you put a lot of thought into that I bet. I don't see anything wrong with it.
Posted on 9/3/08 at 7:36 pm to BT
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do we make our own SEC schedule?
Of course not, the league office does.
Posted on 9/4/08 at 4:05 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:Affected games in bold:
Where do you get five of 11? You going all the way back to 2005? In that case, it would be more than five out of more than 11. In '06, we had four home games by the end of September, none of which were affected by weather. In '07, none of our three scheduled home games before the end of September were affected.
So, weather-affected games:
2008: 3/4 (AppSt, Troy, NTex)
2007: 0/3
2006: 0/4
2005: 3/3 (NTex, AzSt, Tenn)
9/10/05 Arizona State
9/26/05 Tennessee
10/29/05 North Texas (scheduled for 9/3/05)
9/2/06 Louisiana-Lafayette
9/9/06 Arizona
9/23/06 Tulane
9/30/06 Mississippi State
9/8/07 Virginia Tech
9/15/07 Middle Tennessee State
9/22/07 South Carolina
8/30/08 Appalachian State
9/6/08 Troy
9/13/08 North Texas
I counted wrong. North Texas will make six out of 13. If that isn't reason enough to re-think the way you schedule gatherings of 90K+ people, what else do you need?
Posted on 9/4/08 at 4:21 pm to lsusa
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i honestly cant think of a problem prior to katrina.
9-11-2001
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