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SN11 RIP? Launched in fog, SpaceX blew up rocket raining debris

Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:05 am
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:05 am
https://nextspaceflight.com/starship/


NASA Spaceflight Youtube

Everyday Astronaut Youtube

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This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 8:15 am
Posted by elprez00
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:23 am to
Anybody shitting on SpaceX should go read the history of Project Mercury prior to Alan Shepard orbiting the earth.

Designing rockets isn’t easy. It’s as hard as, well, rocket science.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:29 am to
No lie, I prefer SpaceX approach to building rockets. It really feels like they returned to the type of thinking that got us to the moon.

SLS is a bureaucratic mess, like most of the recent NASA initiatives. Blue Origin, while not bureaucratic, seems to be taking the same bureaucratic approach.

The Everyday Astronaut channel has some good breakdowns on the various rocket companies. Very curious about Rocket Labs intro into larger rockets as well, I think they can be another SpaceX.
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:30 am to
Starship go boom
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:38 am to
I am currently reading Liftoff by Eric Berger (just released). Elon says it’s not quite how he would’ve written the story of SpaceX, but that it’s probably worth the read I’m enjoying it so far.



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The dramatic inside story of the first four historic flights that launched SpaceX - and Elon Musk - from a shaky startup into the world's leading-edge rocket company.

In 2006, SpaceX - a brand-new venture with fewer than 200 employees - rolled its first, single-engine rocket onto a launch pad at Kwajalein Atoll. After a groundbreaking launch from the middle of the Pacific Ocean, the Falcon 1 rocket designed by Elon Musk’s engineers rose in the air for approximately 30 seconds. Then, its engine flamed out, and the rocket crashed back into the ocean.

In 2007, SpaceX undertook a second launch. This time, the rocket rose far into space, but just before reaching orbit it spun out of control. Confident of success in 2008, Musk and his team launched their third rocket with several paying customers. The first stage executed perfectly, but instead of falling away, it thudded into the second stage. Another failure. Elon Musk had only budgeted for three attempts when he founded SpaceX.

Out of money and with a single Falcon 1 rocket left in its factory, SpaceX decided to try one last, dramatic launch. Over eight weeks, engineers worked furiously to prepare this final rocket. The fate of Musk’s venture mirrored the trajectory of this slender, single-engine rocket aimed toward the skies. If it crashed and burned, so would SpaceX. In September 2008, SpaceX’s last chance for success lifted off...and accelerated like a dream, soaring into orbit flawlessly.

That success would launch a miraculous decade for the company, in which SpaceX grew from building a single-engine rocket to one with a staggering 27 engines; created two different spacecraft, and mastered reusable-rocket descents using mobile drone ships on the open seas. It marked a level of production and achievement that has not been seen since the space race of the 1960s.

But these achievements would not have been possible without SpaceX’s first four flight tests. Drawing on unparalleled access and exclusive interviews with dozens of former and current employees - engineers, designers, mechanics, and executives, including Elon Musk - Eric Berger tells the complete story of this foundational generation that transformed SpaceX into the world’s leading space company.
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 7:40 am
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:42 am to
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am currently reading


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When in Rome



Are there lots of pictures? Cause I like to look at pictures.

Good morning, WiR.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:44 am to
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Liftoff by Eric Berger
I have a small backlog of Audible credits and have been looking for some good books. Just downloaded this
Posted by Pfft
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:44 am to
Labpadre and Nasaspaceflight youtube live feeds are pretty good. Multiple cameras set up on labpadre site to see different angles.
Nasaspaceflight usually does a 10-12 minute video summary of the days events showing the going's on around the complex. Really interesting on most days as it shows different components being assembled.
Posted by Pfft
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:46 am to
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:50 am to
there are some pictures, but a picture book it is not!
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 7:57 am to
I have When Money Dies and The Downfall of Money queued up in my Audible account. They’re about hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic following WWI; might be good listens for lessons in this era of money printing. I usually have a couple of paper books and an audiobook running concurrently, with current events podcasts usually taking precedence over audiobooks, so it takes a while to get to each audiobook.

I have Liftoff in print. Certain books I need in print because a) I enjoy flipping pages, and b) I enjoy adding them to/seeing them on my bookshelves nerd alert
This post was edited on 3/26/21 at 7:59 am
Posted by jcaz
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 8:07 am to
A static fire AND launch on same day? I’m gonna say no. But the whole point is to see if Space-X can pull off both because a key to future success is speedy launches. Reducing time between raptor change outs and static fires will be big.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 8:08 am to


The sun setting on SN11 last night.
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 8:14 am to
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enjoy adding them to/seeing them on my bookshelves nerd alert


We are standing in the same line with this. Some books I just love to open and read some pages. Funny thing is, there's no rhyme or reason about which ones are so honored...ha.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 8:16 am to
NASASpaceflight

This is a good article I saw shared by a lot of the space nerds I follow on Twitter a few weeks ago.

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Starship SN11 will re-attempt a Static Fire test Thursday – following a scrub on Monday – ahead of a potential flight as early as the weekend or the start of next week. Forever subject to change due to numerous considerations – ranging from weather, hardware parameters, and paperwork approval – SN11 will mark the final test of this iteration of Starship before the program moves into the next phase of testing. Following SN11’s flight, SpaceX will move on to SN15, 16, and 17, alongside testing with Super Heavy prototypes BN1 and BN2, before shooting for an orbital launch with SN20 and BN3. In typical SpaceX-style, that orbital launch has an astonishing – and unlikely – “by July 1” target. At the very least, this target portrays SpaceX’s Starship drive to push the vehicle into operation.
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This will be the fourth high altitude test flight of the prototype Starship, and while efforts continue to focus on refining the landing element of the flight profile, the vehicle has already achieved numerous milestones, including proving long-duration Raptor performance and controllability during ascent and the stable “bellyflop” return under the control of its aero surfaces – a huge test flight objective.

SpaceX Boca Chica, meanwhile, has pumped out Starships with such high cadence as to allow for fast turnarounds after each launch, implementing tweaks to the vehicle ahead of the next flight. SN8 achieved the flip maneuver before losing thrust due to the Methane (CH4) Header Tank losing pressure during the landing burn, SN9 did not complete the flip due to engine relight issues, and SN10 completed all the maneuvers before landing hard – eventually resulting in the vehicle exploding several minutes after touchdown. The mitigation path for these issues focuses on those final few seconds of flight.
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Post SN8, SpaceX opted to add helium pressurization to SN9’s CH4 Header Tank. After SN9’s engine relight issue, SpaceX opted to light all three engines during SN10’s flip and burn before deselecting the engine “with the least lever arm” in the event all three successfully relit. Indeed, all three engines did relight during SN10’s flip before the system deselected to land on just one engine. While the landing velocity looked visually acceptable, SpaceX CEO and Chief Designer Elon Musk soon confirmed it was still too high.

Additionally, a few of the landing legs did not lock into place, although Elon noted the high velocity landing would have seen them squashed regardless. Notably, Elon noted the hard landing was due to the Raptor – conducting the landing burn -ingesting helium that was pressurizing the CH4 Header Tank.
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It’s not clear what refinements are being made for SN11’s flight, other than Elon’s comment that multiple fixes are in work. One change likely during SN11’s landing is the use of two engines instead of down-selecting to just one as a way to counter potential loss of thrust and increase redundancy during the no-room-for-failure landing burn. Regardless of flight changes, SN11’s test campaign during its pad flow has so far been going mostly to plan, with proof testing already complete under both ambient and cryogenic conditions
Posted by Chero987
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 8:34 am to
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Out of money and with a single Falcon 1 rocket left in its factory, SpaceX decided to try one last, dramatic launch. Over eight weeks, engineers worked furiously to prepare this final rocket. The fate of Musk’s venture mirrored the trajectory of this slender, single-engine rocket aimed toward the skies. If it crashed and burned, so would SpaceX. In September 2008, SpaceX’s last chance for success lifted off...and accelerated like a dream, soaring into orbit flawlessly.


I think this is why Musk will always be willing to put up with headaches from NASA. They handed him a cargo contract days before this launch that kept SpaceX from going bankrupt.
Posted by Pfft
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 9:32 am to
Looks like it could happen. Static fire is complete and the pad is still clear. South Texas coastal fog is still around.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 10:13 am to
They're going to do it if they can. SpaceX announced earlier they're going to try a static fire and turnaround to launch in the same day. Basically to start simulating and testing how they'd turn the things around once operational.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 11:08 am to
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 3/26/21 at 12:17 pm to
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