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When does the CDC typically put out the data for total number of heart disease deaths?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:53 pm
We're in the middle of March and I still can't find any numbers about heart disease deaths or cancer deaths for 2020.
Just curious....
Just curious....
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:55 pm to stuntman
No heart disease deaths last year, it's a miracle.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:56 pm to stuntman
Covid wiped out so many typical reasons for death.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:57 pm to themunch
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Covid wiped out so many typical reasons for death.
Like old age.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 8:57 pm to keks tadpole
I can’t believe it’s not bigger news that influenza has been eradicated. That’s huge news for the medical field
Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:34 pm to stuntman
This was the New York State Health Dept official flu tracking data.
A couple things of note in this data:
1. 2017-18 flu season was supposedly the worst flu season in 100 years (since the spanish flu pandemic of 1918), and yet, 2019-20 was supposedly beating total flu cases by nearly +35%. Which is asinine.
What does this mean?
I believe it’s proof covid was here prior to January, and as early as October 2019 or even sooner (probably even summer of 19). Notice week 40 is already almost double the usual number of Oct. flu cases. Then most subsequent weeks are around double to even as much as 4x typical flu cases.
Logic says some of those cases were symptomatic covid with asymptotic flu. This is why they were testing positive for flu, but if they had a covid test back then they likely would have been covid positive too. But, covid wasn’t even a thing then.
Supposedly patient zero was in January in Wuhan? bullshite. I don’t buy it after finding this data.
2. Notice end of March 2020 (week 13) the moment covid testing rolls out and the gov’t begins paying hospitals a per diem for every covid case, and before we really wore masks or fully implemented social distancing or even locked down, suddenly flu cases fall off a cliff.
Literally a 94% drop in flu cases from typical numbers in previous years. No freaking way.
This tells me the flu didn’t disappear because of mask wearing, social distancing, or lockdowns. It disappeared because hospitals, the media, and the gov’t wanted every symptomatic illness (in this case the flu) to be blamed on covid.
A couple things of note in this data:
1. 2017-18 flu season was supposedly the worst flu season in 100 years (since the spanish flu pandemic of 1918), and yet, 2019-20 was supposedly beating total flu cases by nearly +35%. Which is asinine.
What does this mean?
I believe it’s proof covid was here prior to January, and as early as October 2019 or even sooner (probably even summer of 19). Notice week 40 is already almost double the usual number of Oct. flu cases. Then most subsequent weeks are around double to even as much as 4x typical flu cases.
Logic says some of those cases were symptomatic covid with asymptotic flu. This is why they were testing positive for flu, but if they had a covid test back then they likely would have been covid positive too. But, covid wasn’t even a thing then.
Supposedly patient zero was in January in Wuhan? bullshite. I don’t buy it after finding this data.
2. Notice end of March 2020 (week 13) the moment covid testing rolls out and the gov’t begins paying hospitals a per diem for every covid case, and before we really wore masks or fully implemented social distancing or even locked down, suddenly flu cases fall off a cliff.
Literally a 94% drop in flu cases from typical numbers in previous years. No freaking way.
This tells me the flu didn’t disappear because of mask wearing, social distancing, or lockdowns. It disappeared because hospitals, the media, and the gov’t wanted every symptomatic illness (in this case the flu) to be blamed on covid.
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:35 pm to stuntman
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We're in the middle of March and I still can't find any numbers about heart disease deaths or cancer deaths for 2020.
The CDC mortality report for 2020 will come out in January of 2022. Not a joke.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 9:46 pm to stuntman
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We're in the middle of March and I still can't find any numbers about heart disease deaths or cancer deaths for 2020.
Typically they'll release a brief and the data tables in the 4th quarter. So expect 2020 data in Novemberish.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:24 pm to the808bass
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The CDC mortality report for 2020 will come out in January of 2022. Not a joke.
Good god.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:28 pm to the808bass
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The CDC mortality report for 2020 will come out in January of 2022. Not a joke.
True. I was trying to extrapolate some figures when all of this started last year and the last data I could find online were from 2017 or 2018.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:45 pm to TerryDawg03
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:01 pm to keks tadpole
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No heart disease deaths last year, it's a miracle.
Almost no influenza deaths either, its all going to eventually come out and we’re gonna see that 100-200k deaths were counted as Covid19 when in reality they were heart disease, COPD, diabetes, influenza, etc. I called this shite last March/April.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:03 pm to BeefDawg
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This tells me the flu didn’t disappear because of mask wearing, social distancing, or lockdowns. It disappeared because hospitals, the media, and the gov’t wanted every symptomatic illness (in this case the flu) to be blamed on covid.
Is it true hospitals get substantially more compensation for a Covid19 patient due to government subsidies?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:29 pm to stuntman
were taking about an arm of the propaganda here, but fact or reason
Posted on 3/12/21 at 7:07 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Yes.
Is it true hospitals get substantially more compensation for a Covid19 patient due to government subsidies?
Medicare covid patients got approximately a flat +20% subsidy.
Everyone else got $5000 per lab-tested positive clinical diagnosis, $13,000 for confirmed “covid-pneumonia”, and $39,000 if a ventilator was used.
This reeks of incentive to falsify positive testing and diagnosis, as well as ventilator usage and extended stay for folks who may not have needed it.
Here was the CARES Act passed on March 26, 2020: LINK
And even the “Fact Checkers” admitted it was true: LINK
However, they all contend that no hospitals or clinics abused the process. But they cite nothing other than, “Well they just wouldn’t do that kind of thing.” LOL, like that’s all it takes. No investigations because “they just wouldn’t abuse the system”.
But, how then do we explain the flu (among others), just falling off a proverbial cliff almost the moment this bill is passed and well before masks, social distancing, and lockdowns could have played a role?
That data chart I posted lays it out plain as day that NY State began exploiting the shite out of it almost instantly. To the point they literally went to ZERO flu cases from record high flu cases in just 4 weeks.
And we’re supposed to believe hospitals/doctors are holy bastions of ethics, unmotivated by money and greed, and beyond reproach? LOL, oh the irony!
The same people who claim hospitals and doctors wouldn’t ever think of abusing gov’t subsidies for covid are the same people who want universal single payer gov’t controlled healthcare because our “healthcare system is out of control expensive and unaffordable”.
These are also the same people in power when the VA was exposed for massive abuses, and it’s also well known that Medicare has billions in abuse every year.
fricking clownworld we live in.
This post was edited on 3/12/21 at 7:25 am
Posted on 3/13/21 at 8:58 am to BeefDawg
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Medicare covid patients got approximately a flat +20% subsidy.
Everyone else got $5000 per lab-tested positive clinical diagnosis, $13,000 for confirmed “covid-pneumonia”, and $39,000 if a ventilator was used.
A couple of things:
1. While it is true a COVID positive patient is more generously reimbursed than other patients, all else equal; that is also true of diabetics and hypertensive patients and even patients who are just dehydrated. That's literally how hospital coding works - if a patient is more complex to treat and that complexity is reflected appropriately in the medical record, hospitals get reimbursed more generously to offset the costs of treating the complexity.
2. Any understanding of the cost to treat from the hospitals perspective is missing in this complaint about $13K in reimbursement for COVID pneumonia or $39K for a ventilated patients. If we get only $39K for patients who are on a ventilator we lose a ton on that exchange since patients who are vents are necessarily in the ICU. Do you have any idea about the resource consumption for a patient on vent? Do you have any idea how much reimbursement per day deteriorate as of lengths of stay increase? Do you have any idea who long ventilated patients hang around ICUs? If you ever seen hospital revenue and usage report you'd know how ridiculous it is to suggest that hospitals have ever clamored for a bunch of long stay respirorator patients. If hospitals really just cared about making money, we'd kick out all the COVID patients and start cranking out knee replacements and stents which pay more and those patients actually churn.
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This reeks of incentive to falsify positive testing and diagnosis, as well as ventilator usage and extended stay for folks who may not have needed it.
Let me get this right. You're suggesting that hospitals across the country have operations in place to systematically falsify patients' medical records for COVID?. To do this they'd need to be conspiring with dozens of hospital workers, across various departments and organization levels who have access to and work with those medical records - none of whom have a financial incentive to participate in this fraud. And I suppose we have to pretend out of existence the automated clinical documentation integrity software that hospitals use to maximize coding effectiveness that would catch this stuff. And everyone is committing this easily detectable fraud all so that the hospital can lose money of fake COVID patients. I mean, I guess.
Posted on 3/13/21 at 9:08 am to longwayfromLA
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Let me get this right. You're suggesting that hospitals across the country have operations in place to systematically falsify patients' medical records for COVID?.
No "operation" is required.
Anybody with covid died of covid. There is your "operation".
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