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re: This is a very potent argument against the "2nd amendment means militia" talking point
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:57 pm to auggie
Posted on 2/16/21 at 7:57 pm to auggie
While I’ve enjoyed the back and forth with someone who has a different opinion, we’ll have to disagree that 2021 America could be successfully defended against a peer threat without having a standing army and using only militias and improvised delaying tactics.
The reality is that a professional military would absolutely demolish a militia defending the US. You need a professional military for airpower, artillery, heavy mechanized, AOR C2. We’ve focused on light infantry in this thread, because that’s what militia offers, but the opposing force of a peer contains tech and capabilities that militia could not handle.
The second your civilian heavy equipment operators started obstructing routes by pushing dirt on highways they’d get demolished by aircraft. Dozers and front-end loaders aren’t exactly nimble.
The reality is that a professional military would absolutely demolish a militia defending the US. You need a professional military for airpower, artillery, heavy mechanized, AOR C2. We’ve focused on light infantry in this thread, because that’s what militia offers, but the opposing force of a peer contains tech and capabilities that militia could not handle.
The second your civilian heavy equipment operators started obstructing routes by pushing dirt on highways they’d get demolished by aircraft. Dozers and front-end loaders aren’t exactly nimble.
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:01 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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The reality is that a professional military would absolutely demolish a militia defending the US.
Yet the US struggled in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:03 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
Oh, I wasn't arguing against having a standing army, I was arguing against your opinion that the average guerilla group couldn't be very effective against invaders. I assure you, we could.
I was in both the army and Marine Corps, but the most effective things that I know, come from what I have learned out here in the world working around heavy industry, and there are a lot of people that know the same stuff that I do.
I was in both the army and Marine Corps, but the most effective things that I know, come from what I have learned out here in the world working around heavy industry, and there are a lot of people that know the same stuff that I do.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:05 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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Dozers and front-end loaders aren’t exactly nimble.
Neither are tanks, MRAPs, HMMWVs, APCs, etc.
I have 20+ years in the Army and your argument is based on ignorance.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 8:14 pm to BornAndRaised_LA
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The second your civilian heavy equipment operators started obstructing routes by pushing dirt on highways they’d get demolished by aircraft. Dozers and front-end loaders aren’t exactly nimble.
That's why you would use explosives for that and you would do it far in advance of a force, or if you wanted to cut them off from supplies, you do it behind them.
A 5 million man army, could not take this country. Anybody that thinks they could, just hasn't travelled it. This country is huge, a 5 million man force would be spread very thin and easy to wipe out.
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