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The Death of Civic Nationalism
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:30 pm
Takimag
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The civic nationalist is convinced he can find some way within the rules of the system to unriddle the puzzle of progressive control of the institutions. After every defeat, he commits himself to vote harder and wish harder. He never loses faith in the system. The late Sam Francis, a man who could arguably be called the father of the Dissident Right, observed almost a half century ago that it is this commitment to the system that would be the undoing of the conservative movement. In order for them to have a place at the table meant playing by the rules, but those rules were controlled by their opposition, so the rules would always prevent them from succeeding. Francis, of course, was correct in his prediction. If one were to conjure an image that represented the conservative movement, it would be a group of middle-aged white guys grinning like chimps while standing in front of an empty trophy case. Conservatism has become a mystery cult that champions people like Mitt Romney and makes the “conservative case” for the latest progressive cultural fads. The thing that Francis and his paleoconservative followers never grasped about the Buckley project was that it was vital to the success of the left. Conservatives operated like an electric fence, keeping sensible white people from wandering off into unapproved domains of thought. Conservatism kept middle-class white people believing in the system and the institutions, all of which are controlled by the left.
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The last fifteen years have been a long coming to terms with the reality of conservatism and the system that it champions. The Republican Party found itself on life support at the end of the Bush years. The Tea Party Movement was a grassroots effort to pump air into the conservative circus tent, but that failed. The Trump insurgency was a last desperate attempt to make the system work, but it also failed. The denouement of this long story arc is the events of the past few months. It started with the massive election fraud, then was followed by the outlandish reaction by the establishment to the peaceful protests in January. Demanding that Americans exercising their rights be treated like terrorists has been an eye-opener for many. The images of Washington ringed with troops and razor wire have shocked millions. This past month we got what may be the kill shots for civic nationalism. The first item was the coordinated effort to suppress speech online. The tech oligarchs not only cleaned their platforms of Trump supporters, they also shut down the one explicitly conservative platform. Parler was celebrated by all the bigwigs of Conservative Inc. Then the oligarch shut the site down and conservatives did nothing. Last week a handful of wealthy hedge fund managers forced the trading platforms to rig the market to save them from their bad bets in the market. This is one that struck the white baby boomer in the groin, as they are deeply plugged into the markets. They obsess over their 401(k)s to the point of distraction. They watched in horror as a handful of plutocrats with the help of the White House rigged the market to save the short sellers. The result of all this is that millions of people, tens of millions, who used to be die-hard believers in the system now think the system is rigged. Elections are rigged. The laws are rigged. The stock market is rigged. The rules of public discourse are rigged. All of those people who held their nose and voted for Trump in 2016 are now convinced there is no solution within the system. The problem is the system itself.
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What we are witnessing is the death of civic nationalism. While individual liberty, equality before the law, and individual rights are laudable concepts, they are no longer a part of the people’s reality. In fact, there is growing suspicion that civic nationalism was always a lie. It was a way to keep middle-class whites from seeing who was subverting their society and corrupting their culture. The death of civic nationalism is no small thing. The managerial elite has depended upon it for generations. The managerial class relies upon middle-class whites following the rules and believing in those rules. Just as the slave owner relies on the slaves accepting their condition, the managerial class depends on the white middle class to support and defend the liberal democratic order. While it has been a wild few months, it promises to get crazier. No one really knows what will happen when the white middle-class collectively decides the system is hopelessly broken. The Tea Party Movement is a good example of how quickly these people can organize when motivated. Now that Conservative Inc. is on the enemy’s list, they cannot be counted on to subvert the next populist movement. When the people are up in arms over a policy or the behavior of an officeholder, that is not a threat to the system. It is a defense of the system. Implicit in the demands for a change in policy or for someone to resign is a faith in the rules. People outraged by the rules, by the system itself, are a very different thing. They are a direct threat to the system; one the managerial class has never had to face. No one knows how they will respond, but the results so far suggest it will only make things worse.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:08 pm to klrstix
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Interesting take..
It’s very unique
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:08 pm to Revelator
We talked about this the other day, but it's worth reposting.
I have no idea what will happen next, but I worry we're on the edge of something awful. There are so many negative long term trends coming together.
Gravity will eventually kick in. It's gravity, it has to.
We live in an increasingly autocratic oligarchy, which is purging anyone who is suspected of conservative thought. Not only are people connected to the Trump administration being blacklisted, the military is purging people with right wing leanings. And Washington has openly talked about "re-educating" Trump voters.
The major opposition party, isn't an opposition party at all.
The economic situation, is a catastrophe.
The media, and big tech, function as an extension of the socialist ruling class. There are no hard lines anymore.
So what happens, as the article asks, when people wake up, and realize the system doesn't work? And all the voting in the world won't save them?
The scenarios range from resentful capitulation, we just live with it, like helots, to civil conflict. And given how deranged the leadership in Washington is, how they overstep, and overreact, civil conflict isn't impossible. They could easily do something really stupid, that provokes violence.
Can you imagine federal agents seizing weapons in a place like Idaho? Or something similar? These aren't impossible events anymore.
I have no idea what will happen next, but I worry we're on the edge of something awful. There are so many negative long term trends coming together.
Gravity will eventually kick in. It's gravity, it has to.
We live in an increasingly autocratic oligarchy, which is purging anyone who is suspected of conservative thought. Not only are people connected to the Trump administration being blacklisted, the military is purging people with right wing leanings. And Washington has openly talked about "re-educating" Trump voters.
The major opposition party, isn't an opposition party at all.
The economic situation, is a catastrophe.
The media, and big tech, function as an extension of the socialist ruling class. There are no hard lines anymore.
So what happens, as the article asks, when people wake up, and realize the system doesn't work? And all the voting in the world won't save them?
The scenarios range from resentful capitulation, we just live with it, like helots, to civil conflict. And given how deranged the leadership in Washington is, how they overstep, and overreact, civil conflict isn't impossible. They could easily do something really stupid, that provokes violence.
Can you imagine federal agents seizing weapons in a place like Idaho? Or something similar? These aren't impossible events anymore.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
What happens if tens of thousands of men from the combat arms branches are mustered out for wrong think?
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:22 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The scenarios range from resentful capitulation, we just live with it, like helots, to civil conflict.
Nice historical reference with "helots"...
Unfortunately I believe resentful capitulation would be the overwhelming response with a few pockets of resistance that would be labeled "radical/extremists" ect...
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:27 pm to Revelator
Well put and all very true.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:27 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I have no idea what will happen next, but I worry we're on the edge of something awful. There are so many negative long term trends coming together
It’s like trying to do one too many bench press reps without a spotter. You never know when the bar will come crashing down on your throat.
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The scenarios range from resentful capitulation, we just live with it, like helots, to civil conflict. And given how deranged the leadership in Washington is, how they overstep, and overreact, civil conflict isn't impossible. They could easily do something really stupid, that provokes violence.
I fear military action against civilians in the US is only a mater of time.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:43 pm to Revelator
William F. Buckley is perhaps most responsible for the death of principled conservatism. The party of Taft and the John Birch Society became the party of the Chamber of Commerce and globalist neocons with him as its intellectual head.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:45 pm to Revelator
quote:i think it was Eric Weinstein who said “Conservatives are always picking the next fight they’re going to lose.”
observed almost a half century ago that it is this commitment to the system that would be the undoing of the conservative movement.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:47 pm to Lima Whiskey
As Comrade deBlasio of NYC has done to this old town, so too will the leftists everywhere else produce failure upon failure. It's their nature.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:48 pm to Revelator
Whatever you want to say about Takimag, it’s never short on hot takes.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:53 pm to the808bass
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Whatever you want to say about Takimag, it’s never short on hot takes.
I’ve never heard of them before this article. I’ll have to check them out.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:54 pm to Revelator
“Polite media” will tell you it’s a harbor for racism.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:55 pm to SCLibertarian
US Constitution and rule of law are meaningless: the desire of multinational corporations uber alles.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:59 pm to Revelator
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Conservatives operated like an electric fence, keeping sensible white people from wandering off into unapproved domains of thought. Conservatism kept middle-class white people believing in the system and the institutions, all of which are controlled by the left.
Look around this forum and you’ll see the same thing. Conservatives like SFP and Sentrius wringing hands about some old internet posts from a Freshman Rep from Georgia while the system is literally circling the drain.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 4:59 pm to Revelator
Nail hit head
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:05 pm to Lima Whiskey
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the military is purging people with right wing leanings.
The military is purging anyone who doesn’t lean left. There’s a big difference.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:35 pm to klrstix
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Nice historical reference with "helots"...
I think that's how they see us.
Posted on 2/5/21 at 5:36 pm to Lima Whiskey
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What happens if tens of thousands of men from the combat arms branches are mustered out for wrong think?
CHine will know not to do anything to us because we will hit them with our purses if they get out of line.
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