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re: Texas Nationalist Movement: Q&A transcript from tonight (2/4/21)

Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:38 am to
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44049 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:38 am to
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If as they say, disgruntled Texans were “winning” under a Trump administration, what have they lost since the election in November that would make them want to leave the country?

Where did I say anyone was winning under any particular administration? On the contrary, this is a slope down which we've been sliding for several decades.

The timing of this movement has nothing to do with the recent national election, though many people are admittedly chilled over what transpired. The Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM) has been pulling together this effort for close to 15 years; this was going to come to a head now, regardless of who won the recent election.

Keep in mind, the Texas Legislature does not meet every year. Additionally, the referendum had to be written, and a bill sponsor had to be identified. That's not even taking into account the extensive amounts of research that have gone into the movement's effort to become successful. TEXIT, the book that details how Texas will gain independence (authored by TNM President, Daniel Miller), wasn't published until 2016. Several years went into the writing of that manuscript alone.

As for what's been "lost," Texans' own laws are not determined by Texans, but by 2.5 million unelected bureaucrats in Washington. We no longer have a government that begins and ends at the borders of Texas. We lose $103-$160 billion dollars per year to the federal government. Most importantly, we no longer control our own destiny (agriculture, business, commerce, border security, economy, energy, oil and gas, environment, healthcare, social services, international relations, law and order, travel).
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 12:42 am
Posted by Satchel
Member since Feb 2021
44 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 1:09 am to
I asked because it seems that only time these secessionist movements gain any kind of currency is when conservatives are out of power. In Texas, conservatives have complete control of the state. They preside over over an health care system that has left 5 million Texans uninsured and budgets are usually balanced with smoke and mirrors.Insurance and energy interests rule the state and the plight of consumers are an afterthought.

How will leaving address these issues?
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 1:17 am to
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In Texas, conservatives have complete control of the state. They preside over over an health care system that has left 5 million Texans uninsured



What is it about you Liberals and your inability to find a job with good health insurance?

Do you have a criminal record?

Are you lazy and don't want to find a better job?

Are you not able to move for a better job?

Taxpayers don't owe you losers anything.

I realize most of you came from broken homes and mommy never taught you personal responsibility, but you losers never shut up about this.

This alone is a good reason to break up this country.
Posted by Xenos
Member since Jan 2021
26 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 1:52 am to
Then answer mine when have the chance.

What is the percentage of voters who support this secession?

Do you care about the future of the American GOP at a federal level?

It's obvious Texas can stand on it's own. The issue is can it secede as one state or will it split into 5. Or will it allow citizens to retain US citizenship.

Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10152 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 1:58 am to
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Do you care about the future of the American GOP at a federal level?

You are obviously not one of those "long time reader, first time poster" kind of people.
Posted by Xenos
Member since Jan 2021
26 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:00 am to
Having an health insurance plan is something literally every other western country does.

Calling people lazy is ironically the laziest way out of addressing what would become one of the new nations biggest problems. You immediately ASSUMED that someone would be in a situation because they simply don't work.

The reality is that most people work very hard and just don't make enough to pay the premiums. You ever wonder why it's a general consensus that the Republicans don't care about people, comments such as yours is why.
Posted by Xenos
Member since Jan 2021
26 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:04 am to
Sorry. I just realized you answered me already.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:04 am to
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Calling people lazy is ironically the laziest way out of addressing what would become one of the new nations biggest problems. You immediately ASSUMED that someone would be in a situation because they simply don't work.



Did you actually read everything I said, like getting a job with good health insurance?

I don't owe you shite, why didn't your dad teach you about personal responsibility?
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 7:39 am to
Thanks for the updates, and notes. Also, for your ability to defend yourself against all these..."oddly"...newbie accts popping up.

Question....do these meetings open up with a prayer?
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91000 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 8:18 am to
Honestly sounds well thought out and doable
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44049 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 8:57 am to
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Thanks for the updates, and notes. Also, for your ability to defend yourself against all these..."oddly"...newbie accts popping up.

Some people question because they genuinely want answers; others do so for the sole purpose of stirring the pot. That much is obvious .
Right now the most important focus is on getting out the word, even if it means validating the voices of the proverbial malcontents.

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Question....do these meetings open up with a prayer?

No.
Posted by TD422
Destrehan, LA
Member since Jun 2019
499 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 9:16 am to
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Republicans don't care about people


Like liberals give a rat's arse about anyone that's conservative. You love to abuse us, tax us, castigate us, demean us and threaten us...but the "not caring" bull shite is a one way street with you, amirite? I swear, liberals are the most obtuse beings ever to walk the planet.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:54 am to
Yeah no doubt some have good questions, and others are against it. I'm in on letting a plan be out together boat. It's a learning experience if anything. I'm going to watch to see if I feel things will be different after or just the same as keeping the status quo.


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Question....do these meetings open up with a prayer?

No.


As a Christian Conservative, I will say I'm concerned with this. A big reason for my support would come from a new nation that has God at it's core, and it being known. Essentially what the US was, but I would want no ability to "evolve" away from that. Welcoming to other religions is one thing, but Christianity being the base is important. To me at least.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19707 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:00 pm to
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What about the National Anthem?


Nah, Willie Nelson is going to write a new one.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19707 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:03 pm to
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Republicans don't care about people


You may want to go back and look at charitable giving stats.
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44049 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:07 pm to
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As a Christian Conservative, I will say I'm concerned with this. A big reason for my support would come from a new nation that has God at it's core, and it being known.

As a devout Christian myself I’m somewhat surprised the prayer question hadn’t come up with me before you asked it.
I will say that freedom of religion (not freedom from religion) has been mentioned many times.
My bet: Prayer would be welcome.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 2:49 pm to
Please keep posting this information.

It's very interesting and the best part is, it drives the freaks into meltdown mode!
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
44049 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:00 pm to
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Please keep posting this information.

Unfortunately for the TEXICANTS, I’m not going anywhere.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11846 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 3:10 pm to
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The reality is that most people work very hard and just don't make enough to pay the premiums.


Here is the issue. Obama Care did not address this nor did any democrat because they relied on the health insurance companies behind closed doors to create the act.

Do we need affordable healthcare yes but the real issue is the cost. Go after the overpricing of the services and prescriptions then we can make healthcare affordable which in turn will bring down the premiums. But no the dems want to help fund the richest industry in the nation, the insurance companies, by forcing everyone to continue to pay premiums no one can afford and if not get it subsidized by those that can.

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You ever wonder why it's a general consensus that the Republicans don't care about people, comments such as yours is why.




You ever wonder why the general consensus is democrats don't care because they want those that go work the hardest to pay for those that don't.

Interesting that democrats/liberals criticize the right for supporting big business but yet the democrats support two of the biggest/richest in the country in healthcare and insurance.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 9:24 pm to
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My bet: Prayer would be welcome.


I'm sure it is, but I will find it hard to pray to put the future of our state in His hands, when I don't know if the ones leading the effort are doing the same.

And I definitely agree with Freedom of Religion, but I wouldn't support an effort that isnt clearly based in Christian ideals being the main moral compass. Drop the falsehood of "separation of church and state." I will also want to see things like gay marriage to not be a legal equivalent to heterosexual marriage. Making stuff like CRT illegal, etc.

I get this mindset will/can hurt the cause, but I don't see the point if we are going to keep negatives, "to not push people away," that will just eventually bring us back to what we would be leaving.
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