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College Football's Playoff Solution
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:48 am
Most of us agree, college football has the best regular season followed by the worst post season in sports. The fact that the playoff is only 4 teams and decided by a playoff committee that will always be swayed by the big names makes it completely corrupt. Here is my solution to College Football's Playoff Problem:
- 8 Teams (P5 Champions, Highest Ranked G5 Champion, 2 At Larges)
- The 8 Teams would be ranked 1 - 8 by the previous BCS formula that was half human poll rankings and half computer poll rankings
- Conference Championship Weekend first week of December
- First round of playoffs are the second week of December on campus sites (teams ranked 1-4 host).
- After the first round of the playoffs you would have your bowl selection. This would allow teams who lose in the first round of the playoffs to still have the bowl experience.
- Semifinal round of playoffs first Saturday in January. Games would be at semi final bowl sites similar to now.
- Championship round of playoffs second Monday in Jamuary. No change.
To me 8 is the perfect number. You enhance the regular season and make the Conference Championship weekend revelent again. Any more than 8 and the regular season starts to become devalued. Any less and it's not a legitimate playoff.
I know some people here have proposed 6 teams. I don't like that because it gives the top 2 seeds too much of an advantage they don't need. There are no byes in the NCAA Tournament in basketball, there shouldn't be byes for the College Football Playoff. Hosting a home game in the first round of the playoffs is a good enough advantage. Besides that 6 just seems not genuine. For those who support 6 just be honest, you want 6 because you still don't want to give a G5 team a spot at the table.
By eliminating the selection committee you help with the bias. Make no doubt about it, Ohio State might be the best team, but they still didn't deserve to be there. If Indiana or Northwestern had started in the top 15, gone 6-0, beaten Ohio State and won the Big Ten they would not be in the CFP. Ohio State simply got in because they are Ohio State. Same thing with Notre Dame. Notre Dame was blown out by Clemson. Let's say it was North Carolina who had beaten Notre Dame, beaten Clemson without Lawrence, gone undefeated in the regular season and then got blown out by Clemson in the ACC Championship Game. North Carolina would not have been in the top 4. The committee will simply never be able to look past the names.
Now I know some of you will say "well what if the Pac-12 champ has 3 losses and is ranked #20", "well what if the ACC champ has 2 blowout losses and is ranked #15" or "what if the top ranked G5 champ is only ranked #22". You all make it sound like it's so hard. It's not hard at all, you make a rule for it. A P5 Champion or best G5 Champion is excluded if they are not ranked in the top 15. For P5 Conferences the highest ranked team in the top 15 represents the conference. If there are no teams in that P5 Conference in the top 15 than the spot becomes at large. If there are no G5 Champions in the top 15 than the spot becomes at large. This prevents a situation where say an undefeated Ohio State loses in the Big Ten championship game to a 4 loss Northwestern team, or an undefeated Alabama loses in the SEC championship game to a 3 loss Georgia team.
The reality is this. The current 4 team CFP decided by the selection committee is destroying college football. It is making college football a regional sport. I see it in my travels. Outside of the south and midwest no one cares. No one in the Northeast, West Coast or Mountain West cares. They don't care because they know their teams don't have a chance to get in. The pandemic masked the issues this year but the reality is bowl game attendance is way down, regular season attendance is way down, student attendance is way down and season ticket sales (and the accompany athletic donations) are way down.
With my solution you engage more people in college football again. You finallly give the G5 schools a seat at the table (a seat that they have in every other sport) and not only cause the G5 schools to know they have a chance but give those fan bases hope that they have a chance. You give Pac-12 and Big 12 schools hope again that they have a chance. By doing that those fanbases are engaged and energized again.
Does my solution solve every problem in college football? No. But it is a step inthe right direction. The worst thing college football can do is to do nothing. If college football does nothing than college is doomed to become the same regional type of sport that college basketball and college baseball have already become.
- 8 Teams (P5 Champions, Highest Ranked G5 Champion, 2 At Larges)
- The 8 Teams would be ranked 1 - 8 by the previous BCS formula that was half human poll rankings and half computer poll rankings
- Conference Championship Weekend first week of December
- First round of playoffs are the second week of December on campus sites (teams ranked 1-4 host).
- After the first round of the playoffs you would have your bowl selection. This would allow teams who lose in the first round of the playoffs to still have the bowl experience.
- Semifinal round of playoffs first Saturday in January. Games would be at semi final bowl sites similar to now.
- Championship round of playoffs second Monday in Jamuary. No change.
To me 8 is the perfect number. You enhance the regular season and make the Conference Championship weekend revelent again. Any more than 8 and the regular season starts to become devalued. Any less and it's not a legitimate playoff.
I know some people here have proposed 6 teams. I don't like that because it gives the top 2 seeds too much of an advantage they don't need. There are no byes in the NCAA Tournament in basketball, there shouldn't be byes for the College Football Playoff. Hosting a home game in the first round of the playoffs is a good enough advantage. Besides that 6 just seems not genuine. For those who support 6 just be honest, you want 6 because you still don't want to give a G5 team a spot at the table.
By eliminating the selection committee you help with the bias. Make no doubt about it, Ohio State might be the best team, but they still didn't deserve to be there. If Indiana or Northwestern had started in the top 15, gone 6-0, beaten Ohio State and won the Big Ten they would not be in the CFP. Ohio State simply got in because they are Ohio State. Same thing with Notre Dame. Notre Dame was blown out by Clemson. Let's say it was North Carolina who had beaten Notre Dame, beaten Clemson without Lawrence, gone undefeated in the regular season and then got blown out by Clemson in the ACC Championship Game. North Carolina would not have been in the top 4. The committee will simply never be able to look past the names.
Now I know some of you will say "well what if the Pac-12 champ has 3 losses and is ranked #20", "well what if the ACC champ has 2 blowout losses and is ranked #15" or "what if the top ranked G5 champ is only ranked #22". You all make it sound like it's so hard. It's not hard at all, you make a rule for it. A P5 Champion or best G5 Champion is excluded if they are not ranked in the top 15. For P5 Conferences the highest ranked team in the top 15 represents the conference. If there are no teams in that P5 Conference in the top 15 than the spot becomes at large. If there are no G5 Champions in the top 15 than the spot becomes at large. This prevents a situation where say an undefeated Ohio State loses in the Big Ten championship game to a 4 loss Northwestern team, or an undefeated Alabama loses in the SEC championship game to a 3 loss Georgia team.
The reality is this. The current 4 team CFP decided by the selection committee is destroying college football. It is making college football a regional sport. I see it in my travels. Outside of the south and midwest no one cares. No one in the Northeast, West Coast or Mountain West cares. They don't care because they know their teams don't have a chance to get in. The pandemic masked the issues this year but the reality is bowl game attendance is way down, regular season attendance is way down, student attendance is way down and season ticket sales (and the accompany athletic donations) are way down.
With my solution you engage more people in college football again. You finallly give the G5 schools a seat at the table (a seat that they have in every other sport) and not only cause the G5 schools to know they have a chance but give those fan bases hope that they have a chance. You give Pac-12 and Big 12 schools hope again that they have a chance. By doing that those fanbases are engaged and energized again.
Does my solution solve every problem in college football? No. But it is a step inthe right direction. The worst thing college football can do is to do nothing. If college football does nothing than college is doomed to become the same regional type of sport that college basketball and college baseball have already become.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 11:50 am
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:49 am to TheUnknownMan
Cliffs?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:52 am to TheUnknownMan
I agree with everything you said except
I can’t imagine a team wanting to go play another game after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would be opt out city.
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After the first round of the playoffs you would have your bowl selection. This would allow teams who lose in the first round of the playoffs to still have the bowl experience.
I can’t imagine a team wanting to go play another game after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would be opt out city.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:54 am to TheUnknownMan
To many games. Do away with conference championships game. Got to 9/10 game conference schedule determine CC that way. I agree on 8 seeded games but all neutral site within current bowl structure. It’s all about TV and Corporate involvement not the traveling fan anymore. Champions still play 15 games.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:55 am to High C
Start the playoffs with the first selection show. What better way for Bama to justify playing Furman than to face off against them in a playoff?
Nov 14th: Play a field of 128 playoffs
Nov: 21st: Top 64
Nov 28th: Top 32
Dec 5: Top 16
Dec 12th: Top 8
Dec 19th: Top 4
Jan 1st - Championship game
Nov 14th: Play a field of 128 playoffs
Nov: 21st: Top 64
Nov 28th: Top 32
Dec 5: Top 16
Dec 12th: Top 8
Dec 19th: Top 4
Jan 1st - Championship game
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:56 am to redfish99
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To many games.
You will go?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:57 am to High C
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I can’t imagine a team wanting to go play another game after being eliminated from the playoffs. It would be opt out city.
It already is opt out city, but why should the rest of the team miss out on the bowl experience because they were "too good". The only other option would be the end the bowl system period but that would be too drastic at this time.
Right now a lot of high ranked teams don't mentally show up for bowl games because they are bummed about not getting into the CFP. They don't mentally show up because they only think about the fact that they didn't get a shot.
With my solution one of two scenarios happen:
1) Opt out city happens (like now) and teams don't mentally show up (like now).
or
2) The team takes the mentality of "Hey, we had a shot, we just weren't good enough. Sure we aren't going to be National Champions, but we can still win a major bowl game and have a great season."
If the teams really feel strongly about it they can always decline the invitation. But I think it does potentially help the situation. Worst case scenario it doesn't get any worse than it already is in terms of opt outs.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:59 am to TheUnknownMan
The playoffs shouldn’t be the end all, be all of cfb.
Right now, it is and it’s making the sport shitty. But sure let’s expand the playoffs so we get more blowout post-season games and more teams, coaches and players bail once their playoff hopes are dashed.
Right now, it is and it’s making the sport shitty. But sure let’s expand the playoffs so we get more blowout post-season games and more teams, coaches and players bail once their playoff hopes are dashed.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:01 pm to redfish99
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To many games. Do away with conference championships game. Got to 9/10 game conference schedule determine CC that way. I agree on 8 seeded games but all neutral site within current bowl structure. It’s all about TV and Corporate involvement not the traveling fan anymore. Champions still play 15 games.
How about do away with one of the gimme OOC games instead? This year has shown that outside of coaching staffs no one really wants those games.
The first round being on campus would be for two reasons. One to reward the higher ranked teams and two would be for cost saving measure. Many schools and fans already complain about how much money they spend when their school has a special season. This would help control some of the costs.
I agree with you though on the regular season. 9/10 game conference schedule with 1/2 non conference games. Eliminate the 12th game.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:05 pm to The Quiet One
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The playoffs shouldn’t be the end all, be all of cfb. Right now, it is and it’s making the sport shitty. But sure let’s expand the playoffs so we get more blowout post-season games and more teams, coaches and players bail once their playoff hopes are dashed.
Then how come it works in every other sport and at every other level of football?
And with all due respect, you have no clue if it would lead to more blowouts. That's your opinion, nothing more. I think the opposite, I think it leads to better games. Sure you might still have some blowouts in the first round but then you could have great games in the semifinal and final rounds.
Tell me this, do you think Oklahoma would've given Alabama a better game than Notre Dame did? Do you think Oregon would've given LSU a better game in 2019 than Oklahoma did? In both scenarios I do and in an 8 team playoff we might get a chance to see that. In last year's and this year's 4 team playoff we'll never know.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:06 pm to TheUnknownMan
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I agree with you though on the regular season. 9/10 game conference schedule with 1/2 non conference games. Eliminate the 12th game.
Schools are already struggling with budget issues and you want to take away millions from another home game?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:07 pm to TheUnknownMan
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- 8 Teams (P5 Champions, Highest Ranked G5 Champion, 2 At Larges)
- The 8 Teams would be ranked 1 - 8 by the previous BCS formula that was half human poll rankings and half computer poll rankings
Since 1998, how many years have these 8 teams been National Title worthy? And the old BCS used the Coaches’ Poll, one of the worst polls in existence
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:14 pm to The Easter Bunny
How many years has the 4th ranked team won the NC in the CFP era? I know of at least 2 off hand (Ohio State in 2014 and Alabama in 2017).
In terms of the formula I say use all respected human and computer polls. Each side makes up half of the ranking. That way even if you have an outlier computer poll or an outlier coaches poll that poll alone wouldn't really decide things.
I know this, the system I propose is still 100 times better than the selection committee.
In terms of the formula I say use all respected human and computer polls. Each side makes up half of the ranking. That way even if you have an outlier computer poll or an outlier coaches poll that poll alone wouldn't really decide things.
I know this, the system I propose is still 100 times better than the selection committee.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:19 pm to TheUnknownMan
Biggest problem is it's possible for an undefeated team to be left out.
Most years there are 3 teams that deserve an invite, so you have the problem of inviting a dud or (in the BCS) screwing someone.
Most years there are 3 teams that deserve an invite, so you have the problem of inviting a dud or (in the BCS) screwing someone.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:20 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Schools are already struggling with budget issues and you want to take away millions from another home game?
Most major schools make very little money on those OOC gimme games. In fact a lot of major schools lose money on them because they have to pay the rent a win school to show up. Fan attendance has gone way down for these games which means concession sales are down and the local economy doesn't benefit nearly as much.
It's pretty well known that only coaching staffs like the gimme games since it lets them get in non-starters for evaluation purposes.
Let me ask you this, which do you think would be better?
- 11 game regular season, 5 SEC Home Games and every other year an additional rivalry/big OOC game.
or
- 12 game regular season, 4 SEC Home Games, 3 nothing OOC games and every other year an additional rivalry/big OOC game.
I would bet money that everyone besides the coaches would rather take the 1 additional big SEC home game over 3 nothing OOC home games.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:21 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Biggest problem is it's possible for an undefeated team to be left out. Most years there are 3 teams that deserve an invite, so you have the problem of inviting a dud or (in the BCS) screwing someone.
The 2 At Large spots would be there to prevent this type of scenario from happening.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:29 pm to TheUnknownMan
Playoffs work elsewhere because the playing field is generally even.
It’s not even in major college football. Some programs pour tens of millions of dollars into their program; some a few million. Some maintain stringent academic standards; some make fake courses to keep guys eligible. Some play in a difficult conference; some try to play as few decent opponents as possible. Some play 6, 7, 8 ranked teams. Some might play one all year. As long as football is controlled by the schools and not under the umbrella of an umbrella organization, this will never change. Why should Alabama or Ohio State abdicate power, money & influence so Cincinnati or Boise or UCF can have a shot?
What I think doesn’t matter. What I know does: the CFP has been bad for the sport. Things are not better. The sport isn’t better. Attendance (not counting the tyranny of 2020) isn’t better. The product on the field isn’t better. Only the money is better and it’s going to the select handful of major conferences and programs that put the majority of their resources into it. And that means the biggest and best programs keep getting further snd further beyond everyone else and that make believe “parity” everyone keeps bitching about becomes more and more distant.
It’s not even in major college football. Some programs pour tens of millions of dollars into their program; some a few million. Some maintain stringent academic standards; some make fake courses to keep guys eligible. Some play in a difficult conference; some try to play as few decent opponents as possible. Some play 6, 7, 8 ranked teams. Some might play one all year. As long as football is controlled by the schools and not under the umbrella of an umbrella organization, this will never change. Why should Alabama or Ohio State abdicate power, money & influence so Cincinnati or Boise or UCF can have a shot?
What I think doesn’t matter. What I know does: the CFP has been bad for the sport. Things are not better. The sport isn’t better. Attendance (not counting the tyranny of 2020) isn’t better. The product on the field isn’t better. Only the money is better and it’s going to the select handful of major conferences and programs that put the majority of their resources into it. And that means the biggest and best programs keep getting further snd further beyond everyone else and that make believe “parity” everyone keeps bitching about becomes more and more distant.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:30 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Biggest problem is it's possible for an undefeated team to be left out.
Most years there are 3 teams that deserve an invite, so you have the problem of inviting a dud or (in the BCS) screwing someone.
There is no solution to having the first team left out upset. I think that 8 is perfect, but we all have our opinions. Some of you act as if an upset is impossible in a playoff scenario. They happen every year.
I just don’t think college football will ever attract the fans it once did as long as we continue with Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St., and whomever every year.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:45 pm to High C
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There is no solution to having the first team left out upset. I think that 8 is perfect, but we all have our opinions. Some of you act as if an upset is impossible in a playoff scenario. They happen every year. I just don’t think college football will ever attract the fans it once did as long as we continue with Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St., and whomever every year.
Completely agree. Those who say the power teams won't share the money will the smaller teams are correct but the power teams are being short sighted. By strangling college football like they are they will be get a continually decreasing amount of money over time as money flows out of the sport.
Never mind the fact that the country is becoming more ubran. Urbran schools are going to gain more power and if they don't college football will become increasingly irrelevent on the sports landscape.
What's funny is undermy scenario I'm not even talking about the power teams losing money and control. They would actually gain more money and maintain almost all of their control by having 7 out of 8 seats at the table. They would essentially be giving the non power team breadcrumbs. No different than what happens in the NCAA Tournament in basketball. Even though college football is far more popular (for now) nationally than college basketball, there's a reason the NCAA Tournament runs circles around the CFP.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:52 pm to TheUnknownMan
go back to a national championship game and bowl tie ins. #1 vs #2.
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