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About all this pointing fingers on defense.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:24 pm
Look, number one while I agree the drop off is too much when you graduate guys to nfl and many others opt out, we shouldn't have such a drop off but
This is bo pelini's first fricking year here. I don't give a frick what he did last time. He did absolutely shred osu in two and has a title here. He has to run a defense that hasn't recruited 4-3/4-2-5 players. Until your an actual coach, you'll never understand what I mean and if u are a coach and don't understand then your an idiot. In arandas defense u dont need exceptional play at lber like in an even front defense does, you need team speed overall because he was runnin a dam dime defense as your dam base all game, basketball on grass as they call it. Pelini needs killers at lbers. Minter, White etc. He needs to recruit 4 studs to play up front tjat cam move. Give the guy his years to get these players. I mean look at what he has? Lol....he has no playmakers up front..
....in the secondary, I DGAF at what U say about all American this or that, that was HIGH SCHOOL. He has Stevens who isn't a fs...stingley was protected last year and relied mostly on his talent to hold the rope. This year as a young soph he is obviously mortal. Then u have another freshman who was in HIGH SCHOOL last year and now he is in sec starting. Corey lost delpit and Fulton to the NFL early, also lost another db that starts for Kentucky who left last year at beginning, he lost #5(forgot name) to opt out b.s. this year. If these guys stay ,Corey has a better chance to coach his younger kids for another year instead of throwing them to the wolves too early. #25 and 4 does need some work to learn but not in games, his players needs experience in practice but again they are both young and it don't matter when you say well 25 played last year, that doesn't mean he is developing when as a freshman he was forced to play, players need to develop over time on the "practice field" and with a cop years, not well "he had a spring" to be ready, that doesn't jive in real power 5 football, Corey just doesn't have anyone else at the moment. The fact that the defense has shown improvement against auburn until finley literally gave away 21 pts before auburn actually drove on the tiger D for a score(yes they did quit in 2nd half, youth) and improved against arkie who beat auburn and have a int that got us to the 1 yard line for a td that really won it for us yesterday. Yes Corey got burnt on a fricking pick play. But I guarantee he will teach them how to switch correctly next time in quarters. To be able to say this about a defense that was seriously crippled early on is a big positive especially since bo pelini doesn't have 1 kid he has personally recruited to play his style of Defense.
So all you haterz that won't give this team time to upgrade in off season and grow, you can frick off and go play your Madden 2021 on your ps4 lol
This is bo pelini's first fricking year here. I don't give a frick what he did last time. He did absolutely shred osu in two and has a title here. He has to run a defense that hasn't recruited 4-3/4-2-5 players. Until your an actual coach, you'll never understand what I mean and if u are a coach and don't understand then your an idiot. In arandas defense u dont need exceptional play at lber like in an even front defense does, you need team speed overall because he was runnin a dam dime defense as your dam base all game, basketball on grass as they call it. Pelini needs killers at lbers. Minter, White etc. He needs to recruit 4 studs to play up front tjat cam move. Give the guy his years to get these players. I mean look at what he has? Lol....he has no playmakers up front..
....in the secondary, I DGAF at what U say about all American this or that, that was HIGH SCHOOL. He has Stevens who isn't a fs...stingley was protected last year and relied mostly on his talent to hold the rope. This year as a young soph he is obviously mortal. Then u have another freshman who was in HIGH SCHOOL last year and now he is in sec starting. Corey lost delpit and Fulton to the NFL early, also lost another db that starts for Kentucky who left last year at beginning, he lost #5(forgot name) to opt out b.s. this year. If these guys stay ,Corey has a better chance to coach his younger kids for another year instead of throwing them to the wolves too early. #25 and 4 does need some work to learn but not in games, his players needs experience in practice but again they are both young and it don't matter when you say well 25 played last year, that doesn't mean he is developing when as a freshman he was forced to play, players need to develop over time on the "practice field" and with a cop years, not well "he had a spring" to be ready, that doesn't jive in real power 5 football, Corey just doesn't have anyone else at the moment. The fact that the defense has shown improvement against auburn until finley literally gave away 21 pts before auburn actually drove on the tiger D for a score(yes they did quit in 2nd half, youth) and improved against arkie who beat auburn and have a int that got us to the 1 yard line for a td that really won it for us yesterday. Yes Corey got burnt on a fricking pick play. But I guarantee he will teach them how to switch correctly next time in quarters. To be able to say this about a defense that was seriously crippled early on is a big positive especially since bo pelini doesn't have 1 kid he has personally recruited to play his style of Defense.
So all you haterz that won't give this team time to upgrade in off season and grow, you can frick off and go play your Madden 2021 on your ps4 lol
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 1:36 pm
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:29 pm to GamerGod
Upvoted, didn’t see 1 lie in that post
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:33 pm to GamerGod
You feel better? Look whether your a coach or not the constant blown coverage and assignments is alarming. Also our run fits have been horrendous. We are 110 ranked n defense let that sink in. Coaching isn’t about your system, it’s about putting your kids in the best position to be successful. Knowing their strengths and limitations. Maybe Bo should have spent less time at U Club playing golf ( which I think he set a record for # of rounds) and more time getting to know his personnel.
It’s been a disaster all season. He literally chose the worse strategy against mike leech amd made zero adjustments as we were torched for 660yds of that’s not bad coaching I don’t know what is
It’s been a disaster all season. He literally chose the worse strategy against mike leech amd made zero adjustments as we were torched for 660yds of that’s not bad coaching I don’t know what is
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:36 pm to GamerGod
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:36 pm to GamerGod
Thanks for a sense of reason among all the BS posts.
Too much emotion and too little rational thought by too many posters.
Too much emotion and too little rational thought by too many posters.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:37 pm to Ampipe96
What you said is still what happens when what I said above are facts....not the coaches fault...bottom line...you just mad and tho k you have something to do with lsu when u dont...while I agree I didn't see any adjustments on defense in second half of game, well we will never know why unless u were there. It was corrected..tbh, imo, we coulda ran anything on defense and we were fricked against may. The personnel the coaches had were really thin tbw
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:44 pm to GamerGod
I’ve been hating on Pelini.
But I hear you. All valid points.
The only thing I’m worried/enraged about is the lack of effort I’ve seen throughout the year. Granted it was better yesterday.
And then the body language and response you see from the players to Pelini.
This paints a CLEAR picture that shows a complete lack of respect for Pelini. They haven’t been playing for him. Not hardly at all.
Then you add on to that the lack of adjustments made in game, or week to week..
it sure paints a very bad picture for Bo.
Your points are valid, and if my points were NOT valid, I’d agree with you that this can all be fixed with time and effort.. but my points are also valid.
Question is can Bo earn the respect of his position coaches and his players. Because he’s already behind on that note. And respect is much harder to gain than lose.
If he treats these players the way he used to, after they just had Aranda the Zen master, taking them from night to day, he will likely never earn their respect, leading to a lack of effort and belief in the system. No talent and technique can make up for problems with the heart of a defense/team.
But I hear you. All valid points.
The only thing I’m worried/enraged about is the lack of effort I’ve seen throughout the year. Granted it was better yesterday.
And then the body language and response you see from the players to Pelini.
This paints a CLEAR picture that shows a complete lack of respect for Pelini. They haven’t been playing for him. Not hardly at all.
Then you add on to that the lack of adjustments made in game, or week to week..
it sure paints a very bad picture for Bo.
Your points are valid, and if my points were NOT valid, I’d agree with you that this can all be fixed with time and effort.. but my points are also valid.
Question is can Bo earn the respect of his position coaches and his players. Because he’s already behind on that note. And respect is much harder to gain than lose.
If he treats these players the way he used to, after they just had Aranda the Zen master, taking them from night to day, he will likely never earn their respect, leading to a lack of effort and belief in the system. No talent and technique can make up for problems with the heart of a defense/team.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:51 pm to GamerGod
Generally, I agree with your post, at least what I could understand.
Your grammar is atrocious, but you have a great grasp of football and LSU’s defensive problems.
Your grammar is atrocious, but you have a great grasp of football and LSU’s defensive problems.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:56 pm to Bayoubengal205
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he will likely never earn their respect, leading to a lack of effort and belief in the system. No talent and technique can make up for problems with the heart of a defense/team.
If that is fact, I doubt Bo will be coaching LSU next season. Orgeron has not been reluctant to fire coordinators who don't perform.
According to folks on Hannity and Hester, the players loved/respected Bo when he was here with Miles.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 2:09 pm to Gus007
Well that was also the coach O that said “we comin” with rage in his eyes and foam at the mouth.
I haven’t seen that coach YET this year.. not that I want him mad all the time. Just passionate.
He seems to have gotten soft, but I think he can fix that. I hope last year just got to his head and he’s made some mistakes. That’s my hope. And that he can get back to himself and stay in his lane.
As for Bo’s past players loving him and etc, I agree. I’ve seen those interviews and statements.
But I think there’s a big difference with this generation and the fact that they had Aranda who is one of the most calm DC I’ve seen in power 5 (much less SEC). I’d imagine it’s been a bit of shell shock for the players AND position coaches.
Maybe Bo can do it, and earn all their respect. We will see. But my instinct says no..
Have you seen the clip of his post game while at Youngstown talking about “I’ve never seen a group of guys come on the field and not want to play”?? I’m worried that he lost their respect as well.. thus, the players don’t enjoy it and lose fire and swag....
I’m not supporting the babying of players. But you have GOT to be able to do what works.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but gosh man, I’ve just NEVER seen an LSU defense look so disinterested and so checked out before and with the evidence that Bo’s had this problem elsewhere it’s easy for me to figure out (or think I’ve figured out) where the big issue is.
I haven’t seen that coach YET this year.. not that I want him mad all the time. Just passionate.
He seems to have gotten soft, but I think he can fix that. I hope last year just got to his head and he’s made some mistakes. That’s my hope. And that he can get back to himself and stay in his lane.
As for Bo’s past players loving him and etc, I agree. I’ve seen those interviews and statements.
But I think there’s a big difference with this generation and the fact that they had Aranda who is one of the most calm DC I’ve seen in power 5 (much less SEC). I’d imagine it’s been a bit of shell shock for the players AND position coaches.
Maybe Bo can do it, and earn all their respect. We will see. But my instinct says no..
Have you seen the clip of his post game while at Youngstown talking about “I’ve never seen a group of guys come on the field and not want to play”?? I’m worried that he lost their respect as well.. thus, the players don’t enjoy it and lose fire and swag....
I’m not supporting the babying of players. But you have GOT to be able to do what works.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but gosh man, I’ve just NEVER seen an LSU defense look so disinterested and so checked out before and with the evidence that Bo’s had this problem elsewhere it’s easy for me to figure out (or think I’ve figured out) where the big issue is.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 2:14 pm to GamerGod
Pelini is trash and has been trash for 10 years. He has no idea what he’s doing out there he has no idea how to defend the modern offense. We had 4 completions go for 216 yards against us yesterday while Stingley and Ricks gave up a total of 1 catch for 11 yards. That means he couldn’t scheme up coverage to even slow down the next 3 pass catchers with 5 extra players! And what’s worse is we have 3 solid pass rushers to help the backend and we still can’t cover a lick. Your “facts” are 15 years old but the ones that matter are right now and right now he’s coaching the worst defense in LSU history. Make excuses all you want but nothing is going to improve with that clown running the D.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/22/20 at 2:18 pm to GamerGod
@Gamergod You make a lot of sense but Arranda didn't do this bad in his first year, he was stuck with players who weren't made for his style defense, and he didn't get to recruit his guys as well.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 2:23 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
When fans start to create unique excuses that have never applied to anyone else you know they’re completely in denial.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 2:25 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
I’m telling y’all.. it’s a lack of respect that these players have for Bo.. and judging in the fact that he had the same issue at Youngstown and even SAID it on LIVE TELEVISION bashing his entire team on air during a post game press conference, I mean I can only IMAGINE how he talks to their faces behind closed doors. This is a different generation. These guys aren’t going to allow someone to just dog them out every time they make a mistake. There’s a such thing as CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and all things point to the fact that Bo doesn’t understand this, while Aranda was like the KING of treating these guys like young men instead of dumb dogs. These guys respected Aranda from day one and never lost it because he carried himself and treated them in a way that warrants such respect, all that on top of the fact that when it comes to X’s and O’s Aranda seems to be much more intelligent. Just based on his interviews alone. Much less his track record everywhere he’s been.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 2:33 pm to Bayoubengal205
Of course you’re right, the players don’t play hard and don’t respond to him but it’s even more simple than that. He can’t coach and here’s his last 5 defenses from 2011-14 and this year.
2011- 23.4ppg
2012- 27.6ppg
2013- 24.8ppg
2014- 26.4ppg
2020- 32.0ppg
We’re not going to compete for anything on any level with those results and it doesn’t matter what the offense does. Pelini has been a DC/HC running the D at a power 5 program for 13 years, he’s had 4 good defenses and 1 average D. That means he’s had bad defenses 8 of 13 seasons. He’s not even an average DC for his career which is why he was jobless and unwanted when we hired him.
2011- 23.4ppg
2012- 27.6ppg
2013- 24.8ppg
2014- 26.4ppg
2020- 32.0ppg
We’re not going to compete for anything on any level with those results and it doesn’t matter what the offense does. Pelini has been a DC/HC running the D at a power 5 program for 13 years, he’s had 4 good defenses and 1 average D. That means he’s had bad defenses 8 of 13 seasons. He’s not even an average DC for his career which is why he was jobless and unwanted when we hired him.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/22/20 at 3:04 pm to Fus0623
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didn’t see 1 lie in that post
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improved against arkie who beat auburn
Well I see at least one.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 3:37 pm to Bayoubengal205
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The only thing I’m worried/enraged about is the lack of effort I’ve seen throughout the year.
I think what many are interpreting as "lack of effort" is actually tentativeness. These kids are often thinking too much and can't react instinctively. Part of that is learning a new scheme and, for the freshmen, part of it is just adjusting to the SEC with the added pressure (for some of them ) of having to START in the SEC without a lot of veterans around to mentor you. It's really difficult to just explode on a play (and give what--to the fan in the stands--appears to be maximum effort) if you're not quite sure what you're doing.
Posted on 11/22/20 at 4:09 pm to TigerCard
Its lacl of experience tjat causes hesitation which creates lack of effort illusion..jmo
Posted on 11/22/20 at 4:10 pm to JHH4LSU
Arkie beat somebody we lost to, thought it was auburn
Posted on 11/22/20 at 4:14 pm to Madking
I disagree, those stats aren't particularly bad considering look at where and what univ. he was recruiting for. This lsu patna....we get better players....facts....
It's not any coaches job to ta ta to suck players dicks and develop pussies. See Nick saban. frick that shite. If they mad run their asses off and find real young men who will work hard, respond to dicispline and play hard. F that cry baby bs
It's not any coaches job to ta ta to suck players dicks and develop pussies. See Nick saban. frick that shite. If they mad run their asses off and find real young men who will work hard, respond to dicispline and play hard. F that cry baby bs
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 4:20 pm
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