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re: The ATL Thread: Offseason
Posted on 11/26/20 at 10:39 am to Broski
Posted on 11/26/20 at 10:39 am to Broski
I literally said “The bat was so good that he still would have been valuable”
He was worth -0.6 dWAR in 21 games.
That’s over a -4 dWAR pace if he had played 150 games out there. Just historically bad. Probably not sustainable to be that bad but he is easily a 2-3 loss defender based on the metrics and eye test.
He was on almost a 7 WAR offensive pace so he would have been very valuable even with the bad defense.
Neither number is likely sustainable over 162 as they are both historic.
If you figure he is a 5 oWAR guy and -2.3 dWAR guy then you are either a 5 WAR guy as a DH or a 2.7 WAR guy as a LF. That is a big difference for NL and AL teams.
He was worth -0.6 dWAR in 21 games.
That’s over a -4 dWAR pace if he had played 150 games out there. Just historically bad. Probably not sustainable to be that bad but he is easily a 2-3 loss defender based on the metrics and eye test.
He was on almost a 7 WAR offensive pace so he would have been very valuable even with the bad defense.
Neither number is likely sustainable over 162 as they are both historic.
If you figure he is a 5 oWAR guy and -2.3 dWAR guy then you are either a 5 WAR guy as a DH or a 2.7 WAR guy as a LF. That is a big difference for NL and AL teams.
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Posted on 11/26/20 at 5:34 pm to volfan30
I really don't believe you watch the games, rather you just look at the spreadsheets afterwards. Everyone of your arguments is just copy/paste from FanGraphs it seems.
WAR (and you by extension) doesn't factor in what pitches the batter Ozuna is protecting sees, it also doesn't factor in how that player affects the clubhouse.
There's a happy medium between advanced stats and "eye test" for lack of a better phrase and you, and many others, constantly miss the mark on it, whether relying too far on one side or the other. Listen to Theo Epstein.
WAR (and you by extension) doesn't factor in what pitches the batter Ozuna is protecting sees, it also doesn't factor in how that player affects the clubhouse.
There's a happy medium between advanced stats and "eye test" for lack of a better phrase and you, and many others, constantly miss the mark on it, whether relying too far on one side or the other. Listen to Theo Epstein.
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