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re: A fact worth remembering: Those who don't believe in God argue against absolutes
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:54 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:54 pm to Indefatigable
quote:that's not what morality is genius and that is certainly not what i'm talking about which explains why your responses are stupid
Studying your preferred religion’s justification for its own existence
quote:try getting the topic right and then you won't have to make dumb retorts like this
peak ignorance
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Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:56 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
quote:
Some of the historicity debates and some physics debates haven't been so clean cut
how about some specific examples
Posted on 10/6/20 at 5:58 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:this is always hilarious. people who have basically no training on a subject say stupid stuff and then when it gets rebutted, the person responding is the meanie. if you knew me at all, you would know how silly it is to call me angry.
You're such an angry individual
quote:actually it has
Clearly that solid foundation in Christian morality has worked wonders for your soul.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:00 pm to AggieHank86
quote:there goes the neighborhood. great. as if we didn't have enough knuckleheads itt already
The tenets on which those bases are selected are simply acknowledged as having been arbitrary
no, they're not "arbitrary."
quote:ah yes, the "it's old so it must be wrong." "we've advanced past that now."
As contrasted with those who insist that basing a moral system upon the oral traditions of pre-literate, Bronze Age goatherds is somehow “objective.”
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:13 pm to Jrv2damac
quote:quote:
Believing in an invisible man who is so sadistic as to send people he “loves,” people who had no choice in their existence, to “hell” for not believing in said invisible man because he never makes his presence known, is a miserable existence.
Case rests
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:17 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
I love the fact that the only reason you don't go around murdering and raping people is because some guy thousands of years ago wrote it down and told you not to.
You are arguing that without the Bible, you personally would have no morality and would go do these horrific things.
You are arguing that without the Bible, you personally would have no morality and would go do these horrific things.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:20 pm to bfniii
quote:You talk to yourself a lot. Does your shift key not work?
bfniii
Posted on 10/6/20 at 6:49 pm to bfniii
You did great man
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:00 pm to bfniii
quote:Ehrman on historicity, Caroll on physics.
how about some specific examples
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:01 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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This post was edited on 11/2/23 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:09 pm to bfniii
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totally false. that's ethics
Mind giving your definitions for both then? I get the feeling that your definition probably only makes sense in a religious context and that devoid of that context doesn't map on to reality period but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:18 pm to Indefatigable
quote:even if you're right at a superficial level, that does not preclude that it's absolutely right. and the reason why it's absolutely right is because it was revealed by god and some people retained that truth in the judeo christian tradition
“The argument” is inextricably linked to Christian theology and western (Christian) philosophy
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:19 pm to AggieHank86
quote:is your statement a "belief" or is it objectively true
But these self-absorbed zealots are so convinced of the righteousness of their beliefs that they cannot even admit that they are simply ... “beliefs.”
good luck with that one
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:22 pm to Mister Falcon
quote:astonishing. could you be any more clueless?
Believing in an invisible man who is so sadistic as to send people he “loves,” people who had no choice in their existence, to “hell” for not believing in said invisible man because he never makes his presence known, is a miserable existence
does "invisible" to the naked eye equal non existent? of course not.
what makes you think god does not make his presence known? my word what have we been talking about itt if he doesn't exist? it's like you people can't think past the next happy hour
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:22 pm to Mister Falcon
quote:astonishing. could you be any more clueless?
Believing in an invisible man who is so sadistic as to send people he “loves,” people who had no choice in their existence, to “hell” for not believing in said invisible man because he never makes his presence known, is a miserable existence
does "invisible" to the naked eye equal non existent? of course not.
what makes you think god does not make his presence known? my word what have we been talking about itt if he doesn't exist? it's like you people can't think past the next happy hour
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:32 pm to AggieHank86
quote:no society constructed morality. but you knew that already didn't you mr sapience
The same society which constructed the morality
also, what gives that society the right or authority to prescribe or proscribe behaviors and prohibitions? why should anyone listen to what that "society" has to say? what happens when 2 societies are in conflict? does 1 society have the right to tell another society they are in the wrong?
i'll even do you a solid and make this specific. how should this have been resolved?
great case study
everybody get ready for a bunch of long winded gobbledygook and half baked theories with words misused and out of context from hank
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:38 pm to Powerman
quote:that's interesting. the nazis acted from their beliefs and the officers even used that defense at the nuremburg trials. were they wrong? was that based on empathy? how did the allies' prosecution respond to that defense?
Morality is based on human empathy
what if someone disagrees with your premise about morals being based on empathy? is your statement true for everyone?
quote:
Not some specific false deity
how do you know it's false?Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
quote:because people can't agree on what is right and wrong. it's nothing more than a sea of relativism. does that make sense to you? how do we even have an idea of what right and wrong is? given that there is still no agreement on right and wrong, no appeal to "society" or evolution is a valid response. it might explain the anthropology of ethics but it certainly doesn't explain anything about morals despite all the RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE going on itt
Why not?
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:43 pm to AggieHank86
quote:prove that it's superstitious or foolish
My wife insists upon religion for the kids. They are bright girls. I am sure they will outgrow the superstitious foolishness
quote:why should they retain those?
the underlying lessons
Posted on 10/6/20 at 7:45 pm to Indefatigable
quote:is that statement objectively true or is it only true for you?
An “objective” moral standard does not exist.
quote:the fact that you think the concept of morality is subjective means you should probably bow out of the conversation until you get educated
subjectively defined concept
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