re: OK, I want to talk about cults

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I believe you

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They don't consider themselves a cult

who admits to it?

but church of the Redeemer active in Houston in the early 70s became a worldwide phenomenon 60 minutes did a story on it the fisherfolk were worldwide phenoms music credited by some for starting the new modern worship music

the founder started a branch in Scotland but he was just fleeing accusations of sexual abuse

they had this idea of commune in the community so in inner city of Houston actually started a Commune in the Community
singles unmarried unaffiliated individuals within the church would join a more stable family in turn over their paychecks to them and gets an allowance back using their pay for household bills

within those homes there were charges of the abuse ,fraud sexual abuse Google Austin lifesaving does all sorts of stories that were nothing more than misery