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re: Discussion of Fed Liquidity’s Impact on Equity Markets

Posted on 9/24/20 at 11:01 am to
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 9/24/20 at 11:01 am to
Thanks, I'll check it out.

Warning: long post ahead

As a compliment to my previous post, I ran some numbers from FRED. What you see are corporate profits scaled logarithmically going back to 1980 (first chart = after-tax and second chart = pre-tax; both shown as blue line) and the 8-qtr. moving average (both shown as red line). Both charts ignore inventory valuation and capital consumption adjustments. All data are taken from the BEA's quarterly GDP reports via FRED.

Looking at the after-tax data first, you can see corporate earnings after-tax reached a new zenith in 3Q of 2019, but just barely. For the most part, corporate earnings after-tax have been flat since 2012.

On a before-tax basis, the small recent uplift since 2016 falls off, as all of that small recent uplift was due to the Trump tax cuts.



Where does that leave us? Basically, this is the longest period of flat corporate earnings "growth" going back to the late 1990s (and this is actually true going back to the earliest date in the series (1946) - which I cut off for presentation's sake).

The primary difference between today and the late 1990s is that the Fed Funds Target Rate in the late 1990s prior to the Dot.Com bust was 6.5%*. As Greenspan lowered rates from 6.5% to 1.0% over 2000-2004, you can see that this spurred a robust recovery in economic activity. That's the beauty of having higher rates BEFORE a recession. The fact we went into our recent recession with the lowest rates in history is a travesty of policy making, in my view.

Fast forward to today, the Fed Funds Target Rate is at 0.25%. In addition, Public Debt-to-GDP was approximately 50% in 2000, approximately 16 p.p. less than where it had been in the mid-90s. Thus, it was hardly problematic when fiscal stimulus between 2000 and 2004 raised this to only 60% or so. What is that figure today? 108%. You think we're going to have diminishing marginal returns on fiscal stimulus today vs. the last time we had a bubble of this size? (Lacy Hunt would stress the "overuse of one factor of production.")

Finally, corporate tax rates then were 35%. Today, they are 21%. Given the ballooning Public Debt-to-GDP, what's going to look like an attractive solution to the problem, particularly to a Democrat? And if that event occurs, how will that impact our blue line in the first chart above?

As I see it, the Fed's solution to all of this is to tinker around with QE since they've more or less given themselves an artificial floor of 0% when it comes to nominal rates. Thus, how do you get real rates lower if you're forced to keep nominal rates at 0%? You inflate the hell out of your currency, which is exactly what they are trying to do. BUT ... and this is a big but ... if the Fed fails to produce inflation and we have deflation, that means real rates would be going higher (0% nominal rate minus negative inflation equals a positive number). You couldn't have a more reliable pin to prick a bubble than effective interest rate "hikes" in an overly indebted economy.

Some claim that technological progress will save the day, and that's possible. But the chances of us experiencing the kind of step function technological progress we saw with things like the electricity grid, the advent of mass production during the World War periods, the Internet, etc. are likely pretty low. In addition, the government has been crowding private investment out of the market in their endless quest for deficit dollars. Look how much less currency in the economy circulates as US government spending increases.



This all leads me to believe that we may finally be facing the consequences of failing to deleverage after the Great Recession and keeping rates artificially low for years on end. This is also why I believe the inflation vs. deflation debate is the key to all of this.

*Of course, Greenspan's decision to raise rates to 6.5% in the first place is often attributed as the pin that pricked the Dot.Com bubble, but that's beside the point. Even before that, he still had about 500bps to work with vs J. Pow's 25bps at present.
Posted by Hussss
Living the Dream
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/25/20 at 9:10 am to
Technicals in the bond market say either a) The Fed isn't doing enough or b) They are lying about what they are injecting as far as liquidity goes.

JNK and HYG made double tops but lower highs and are now rolling over significantly.

The 10 year yield has made higher lows since March and looks ready to take off to the upside.

Long term divergences have been in place since Jan. 2018 in the stock markets globally since the RSI topped out.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 9/26/20 at 9:45 am to
Here's a great read on the Federal Reserve Act that is fitting for this thread:

When the Fed tried to save Main Street
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1488 posts
Posted on 9/26/20 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

This all leads me to believe that we may finally be facing the consequences of failing to deleverage after the Great Recession and keeping rates artificially low for years on end. This is also why I believe the inflation vs. deflation debate is the key to all of this.


I agree with all of this. I hope I’m not letting my imagination get the best of me, but I have serious concerns. The debt-to-production bubble was already a serious problem in its own right, but with the shutdowns/government stimulus complications I don’t see a peaceful way of unwinding.

IMO there are three (general) ways it could be handled:

1. The European model of strangling marginal players to prop up the majors (also known as “austerity”). It’s a terrible idea that will very likely result in the collapse of the EU and (effectively) default on debt. For a more in-depth analysis watch Mark Blyth’s videos on the subject.

2. The Japanese model of nationalizing banks and spreading the debt out over an incredibly long period with low, controlled interest rates. As I understand it they are effectively defaulting on the debt very slowly, but most of the debt is held by their own citizens, not foreign creditors, so it’s acceptable.

3. The most likely scenario is we experience a hard crash/reset sparked by deflation. The U.S. doesn’t have the political unity/fortitude to pull off the Euro or Japanese plans.

The major winners will be those who sat on cash and avoided the cheap debt trap we are in the middle of right now (ie. Buffett).
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