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re: Players’ union expects no fans at NBA games during 2020-21 season
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/20/20 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's not flattening the curve. that's a WHOLE different set of policies
Again, flattening the curve doesn’t exist in a vacuum, it is a means to an end. That consensus end is the set of benchmarks listed.
Your graph is illustrative of that. Implementing lockdowns and social distancing policies that slow spread to a lower peak, gain capacity for testing, tracing, and treatment, and set a path toward a steady decline toward eradication. That is NOT what is happening in many states. Instead what is happening is a plateau followed by a new surge in exponential growth. The goal has not been achieved. Saying it over and over again doesn’t change that.
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and yes they will have more cases and death, but that means their population will run the course of this virus more quickly
Again, Sweden’s model has been a disaster.
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Immunity is going incredibly slow, confidence in the economy and the government are cratering, while death rates are much, much higher than countries that took a traditional approach. So all the pain and none of the benefits.
And spread doesn’t fire up like the Florida’s and Texas’s of the world no matter what, far from it. Most countries hit their peak and never significantly trend back up because they locked down stronger and reopened more wisely, giving them the sustained and necessary drop in cases to enable the capacity to control new outbreaks, and a willingness to lock back down if things get out of control, not recklessly like much of America has done.
I mean let’s compare here:
These are through June 18th
Now let’s compare them to states that I would argue are failing to properly flatten the curve, notice the difference???
Arizona
Texas
Florida
What you see is a plateau or short term drop followed by new exponential growth patterns. That is NOT what most countries or regions are experiencing because they took more appropriate measures that not only flatten the curve sustainably but can open up without a major uptick in cases. What you see in many states is simply a slowdown before a new peak(with no indications the peak will stop growing without reintervention), which is not what countries like German and Italy are trending toward with their reopening plans.
This post was edited on 6/20/20 at 11:28 am
Posted on 6/20/20 at 11:39 am to Bronc
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Implementing lockdowns and social distancing policies that slow spread to a lower peak, gain capacity for testing, tracing, and treatment, and set a path toward a steady decline toward eradication.
eradication is not impossible and was never the (realistic) goal
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That is NOT what is happening in many states. Instead what is happening is a plateau followed by a new surge in exponential growth.
as expected and planned. elimination was NEVER the strategy. we NEED COVID cases to increase but plateau below critical care levels
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Immunity is going incredibly slow, confidence in the economy and the government are cratering, while death rates are much, much higher than countries that took a traditional approach.
those countries are going to face the same emotional reaction that you're displaying about the US. they'll just do it over and over and over again
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And spread doesn’t fire up like the Florida’s and Texas’s of the world no matter what, far from it. Most countries hit their peak and never significantly trend back up because they locked down stronger and reopened more wisely, giving them the sustained and necessary drop in cases to enable the capacity to control new outbreaks, and a willingness to lock back down if things get out of control, not recklessly like much of America has done.
I mean let’s compare here:
you're comparing the total for countries and then looking at states that NEVER had a real infection rate
if their rate is effectively 0, any increase is going to look bad. put the maps on the same scale and compare for me
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What you see in many states is simply a slowdown before a new peak
show me a comparable state to Italy, like New York
i see you completely ignored my question about what we should do assuming no vaccine is ever created
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