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re: Worldwide we have some demolition to do...So we start with Mecca?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:41 am to lepdagod
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:41 am to lepdagod
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Nice try ... we talking about the United States problems ...
Is there an epidemic of slavery going on in the United States I’m unaware of in the year 2020?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:45 am to Peazey
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You are going through a lot of mental gymnastics to justify the glorification of people whose entire image is built around the defense of the institution of slavery
Again, monuments do not have to glorify. They are a historical representation of the time.
For instance there are still Joseph Stalin monuments and statues riddled throughout the old Soviet Union territories. I'm sure those people do not idolize a man who murdered 100's of millions of their ancestors, yet he was a very important part of their history and a reminder of what once was.
The OP is pointing out how monuments can change in significance over time.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 10:48 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:47 am to magildachunks
When New Orleans chose desecrate rather than educate, we saw what was coming.
I'm not talking monuments. I'm talking McDonough schools, built by a man who owned slaves, was the largest landowner in the USA and for his day educated more poor black and white children in both New Orleans and Baltimore than either local government ever thought of doing. He also let his slaves earn their freedom, educated them in skills, etc.
His name could have been a teaching moment. Putting things in perspective. Tracing education through generations. Even to the connections with Liberia.
I'm not talking monuments. I'm talking McDonough schools, built by a man who owned slaves, was the largest landowner in the USA and for his day educated more poor black and white children in both New Orleans and Baltimore than either local government ever thought of doing. He also let his slaves earn their freedom, educated them in skills, etc.
His name could have been a teaching moment. Putting things in perspective. Tracing education through generations. Even to the connections with Liberia.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:00 am to upgrayedd
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The single moms on father's day flex is coming up and its gonna be glorious
Father’s Day will probably be cancelled this week. I’m sure it will be viewed as a symbol of white paternalism.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:59 pm to magildachunks
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The melt is strong in y'all.
The inability to see reality/logic is strong in you!
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:13 pm to Anaximander
Nah.
If it symbolizes someone who killed in the name of communism, it stays.
If it symbolizes a violent religion that wants to destroy the west, it stays.
Everything else goes.
If it symbolizes someone who killed in the name of communism, it stays.
If it symbolizes a violent religion that wants to destroy the west, it stays.
Everything else goes.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:31 pm to lepdagod
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Nice try ... we talking about the United States problems .
Nice try... but Spike Lee said if Donald Trump is re-elected that the whole world would be in peril.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:32 pm to Anaximander
Whataboutism is my favorite logical fallacy.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:36 pm to rintintin
I’m pretty sure if I was from Poland or East Germany or Ukraine and there was a statue of Stalin in my community I’d ask that it be taken down too. And then if that ask wasn’t listened to, at some point I’d prob say frick it and try to tear it down myself.
Take them down and put them in a museum where they can be dedicated to education and not seen still as a monument
Take them down and put them in a museum where they can be dedicated to education and not seen still as a monument
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:43 pm to Anaximander
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Think of all the demolition jobs.
It’ll put a lot of Mexicans to work
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:46 pm to lepdagod
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Nice try ... we talking about the United States problems ..
You mean the country that twice elected a black man with a Muslim sounding name?
Never in history has the demand for oppression so exceeded the supply.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:48 pm to Anaximander
Plus, the Great Wall is a symbol of anti-immigration.
Actually there are many walls and fences that need to come down. No borders and all that.
Actually there are many walls and fences that need to come down. No borders and all that.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:20 pm to crazyLSUfan
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I’m pretty sure if I was from Poland or East Germany or Ukraine and there was a statue of Stalin in my community I’d ask that it be taken down too. And then if that ask wasn’t listened to, at some point I’d prob say frick it and try to tear it down myself.
Russia, especially Putin do not take kindly to Eastern Euro countries removing Soviet era monuments.
Estonia faced diplomatic sanctions and cyber attacks a few years ago when they removed a statue of Stalin.
Prague and the Czechs are going through the same thing right now. There was a statue of Soviet General Konev in the middle of one of Prague’s most vibrant and upscale neighborhoods. The residents and city have wanted it removed for years.
The official plan was to move it to a museum that’s still in the planning stages. The local council went a little rogue and went ahead and removed it in April. Moscow was pissed, and National Czech officials even condemned the removal. Cyber attacks were launched against Czech infrastructure. The main targets were hospitals and other healthcare facilities during height of the Covid pandemic in April and May.
Some background on General Konev:
The statue was erected in 1980 to honor General Konev’s “liberation” of Prague in WWII. This liberation was accompanied by brutal crackdowns and atrocities against innocent civilians.
His post war career is why many in Eastern Europe despise him. He led the invasion of Hungary in the late 50’s when they attempted to distance themselves from Moscow.
In the early 1960’s he was in charge of Soviet Forces in East Germany. He ordered the closure of the border with West Berlin, and construction of the Berlin Wall. The Wall’s initial purpose was to seal off West Berlin from its allies in Western Europe. He led an attempt to literally starve to death West Berlin.
That effort failed, and instead the Wall quickly evolved into prison walls for East Germans, and Konev led the crackdown of citizens attempting to flee to the West.
He was then brought out of retirement and had a very murky and secretive role after the Soviets and other Warsaw Pact nations invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:24 pm to upgrayedd
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Big Scrub TX told me that destroying objects is not destroying history because they're still in history books. So all those objects are fair game.
Good thing nothing ever happens to books
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