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re: Adding another return air vent

Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:37 pm to
Posted by jflsufan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 1:37 pm to
I have a 4 ton unit in the attic with a 3.5 ton outside if that makes sense. I currently only have a 20x20 return air vent in the hallway. My master bedroom is in the back of the house and I feel like this room is the warmest. They suggested that I add a return air vent in my master bedroom which is the farthest point from my ac unit in the house (probably a good 40 feet). I have no idea of the size of the duct that they will use.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5285 posts
Posted on 6/9/20 at 2:52 pm to
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have a 4 ton unit in the attic with a 3.5 ton outside if that makes sense

It does make sense - it is not uncommon to have the indoor evaporator coil slightly over-sized for the outdoor condensing unit and it doesn’t affect the efficiency of the unit.
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currently only have a 20x20 return air vent in the hallway.

I asked just to make sure they were giving you good information on the need for a second return. They are.

You should have 400 cfm air flow per ton (outdoor unit), so you need 1400 cfm (3.5 ton x 400). Your 20 x 20 return plenum is providing 800 cfm of return air to the air handler (20 x 20 x 2 = 800 cfm). So you are short 600 cfm (1400 - 800). The 2 is multiplied b/c the 1 inch air filter in your return grill allows 2 cfm of return air per sq in to pass through. A HVAC unit can only supply as much air out the supply registers as it pulls in from the return vent(s), assuming everything on the return side is sealed properly, so you are not getting the air flow you should from the 3.5 ton unit.

Looks like they would/should add a second return vent to supply an additional 600 cfm of air to the return plenum, that would be something like the equivalent of a 18 x 18 grIll. Looks like that might be a pretty sizable duct they would have to install to move that much additional air over 40 feet from the MB to the return plenum if that is what they are basing their calculations on.

Though I don’t really know if $1,400 is a fair price for what they are proposing, it certainly appears that a deficiency of return air is likely the source of your cooling problem in your MB.

Now, this might not improve your air flow problem b/c you are Indeed short of return air supply by a good bit, but you could try adjusting the duct work dampers in the attic to try to supply some more air to the MB - that is assuming you have adjustable dampers in your ducts, most do, but not all. Your damper to your MB is likely wide open, so you would have to partially close dampers in other ducts that might be supplying more air to those areas than needed to divert more air flow to the MB.

I actually have a similar problem to yours, but not as severe. I had planned to add an additional return vent when I replaced my HVAC in the next year or 2, so I haven’t obtained a cost estimate, but I’ve done my homework on what is needed.
This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 9:30 am
Posted by fishfighter
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:18 am to
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I have a 4 ton unit in the attic with a 3.5 ton outside if that makes sense. I currently only have a 20x20 return air vent in the hallway. My master bedroom is in the back of the house and I feel like this room is the warmest. They suggested that I add a return air vent in my master bedroom which is the farthest point from my ac unit in the house (probably a good 40 feet). I have no idea of the size of the duct that they will use.



Had the same problem in my house. What I did was put a 12'x12" with a 10" flex duct. Fixed the problem. That run was well over 50' Total cost was around $150.

If you need some 10" flex duct, I have 3 rolls that are 25' each. Those cost around $70 each, but will sell them to you at half price. They were extra from my guest house build. You can buy the connecters, intake grill and tape at Colburns in Baton Rouge.

On a side note. The master bed room in my house is complete sound proof which was blocking free flow.
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