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When will you guys realize that the act of "making an offer" is also a level 1 violation? The offer does not have to be accepted, money exchanged, etc. for it to be a serious violation.

And when will you realize what the rule actually says and that just by saying the word "offer" does not expressly break the rule...

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13.2 Offers and Inducements.

13.2.1 General Regulation. An institution's staff member or any representative of its athletics interests shall not be involved, directly or indirectly, in making arrangements for or giving or offering to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her family members or friends, other than expressly permitted by NCAA regulations...

13.2.1.1 Specific Prohibitions. Specifically prohibited financial aid, benefits and arrangements include, but are not
limited to, the following: [R] (Revised: 10/28/97, 11/1/00, 4/23/08, 4/25/18)
(a) An employment arrangement for a prospective student-athlete's family members;
(b) Gift of clothing or equipment;
(c) Co-signing of loans;
(d) Providing loans to a prospective student-athlete's family members or friends;
(e) Cash or like items;
(f) Any tangible items, including merchandise;
(g) Free or reduced-cost services, rentals or purchases of any type;
(h) Free or reduced-cost housing;
(i) Use of an institution's athletics equipment (e.g., for a high school all-star game);
(j) Sponsorship of or arrangement for an awards banquet for high school, preparatory school or two-year-college athletes by
an institution, representatives of its athletics interests or its alumni groups or booster clubs; and
(k) Expenses for academic services (e.g., tutoring, test preparation) to assist in the completion of initial-eligibility or
transfer-eligibility requirements or improvement of the prospective student-athlete's academic profile in conjunction
with a waiver request.

To all fan knowledge at this point, we know that Wade said the infamous "strong arse offer". But those words alone, in and of themselves, do not constitute a violation of the rule stated above. The rule clearly states it has to be an offer "to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her family members or friends". We do not know what Wade offered. While it is easy to assume or imply that he likely was offering a financial benefit, because that is just what happens in the sport, it is just that, an assumption.

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Irrelevant....the NCAA does not need proof (for the 1000th time).

Get over yourself. I'm tired of hearing ("for the 1000th time") that the NCAA does not need some level of proof. While the NCAA is not a court of law and therefore does not have to meet the same standard or burden of proof that the State would in say a criminal case; the fact that they can just punish a school merely based off of an insinuation or an accusation by someone else is just f'ing ludicrous.

I'm not contending, as I never have, that LSU won't receive an NOA of some sort. But for it to be based solely on what we all currently know is just flat out wrong. Either the NCAA found more through their investigation or this NOA is going to be like most other situations where because what happened was so public, the NCAA will dig and dig and dig till they find something, even if it is things wholly unrelated such as exceeding the amount of practice time or allowable athletic activities in a week, or contact during a dead period or improper type of contact, etc.

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Posted by Irish LSU Fan

Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Member since Nov 2014

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Posted on 6/8/20 at 10:52 am to TigerLaw40

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And when will you realize what the rule actually says and that just by saying the word "offer" does not expressly break the rule...

You should remove the word "law" from your name. The point I made was there is no requirement for acceptance of the offer for it to be considered a violation.
However, based on the context of the conversation (and basic common sense), WW was referring to a monetary offer. And yes, an "inference" is considered evidence. So, any reasonable person listening to WW's conversation would acknowledge WW was talking about an offer of money.

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We do not know what Wade offered. While it is easy to assume or imply that he likely was offering a financial benefit, because that is just what happens in the sport, it is just that, an assumption.

And the NCAA (like most intelligent people) will infer WW was offering money.