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What exactly was Flynn’s supposed lie?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:18 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:18 am
I’ve read a lot of the coverage and listened to the pundits, but I still have not heard what exactly was Flynn’s lie.
This question is mostly directed at the OMB crowd who still cling to the fact that Flynn pled guilty. Well, at this point, the information should be available and would surely be broadcast at high decibels on CNN/MSNB if we knew what he lied about, right?
I also direct this question to the freedom from tyranny crowd. I listened to Bongino’s interview of Sidney Powell this morning and I thought for sure I would get this question answered. Bongino didn’t ask the question. I like Bongino and think he’s doing God’s work, but he’s a terrible interviewer.
Was a Factual Basis ever filed in this case? Is it sealed?
I really think the Flynn case can be the red pill for some soft-core lefties who are generally under-informed. It really exposes the whole nasty business of these goons by showing the terrible treatment of just one person who happened to disagree with President Obama.
But I need that one piece.
This question is mostly directed at the OMB crowd who still cling to the fact that Flynn pled guilty. Well, at this point, the information should be available and would surely be broadcast at high decibels on CNN/MSNB if we knew what he lied about, right?
I also direct this question to the freedom from tyranny crowd. I listened to Bongino’s interview of Sidney Powell this morning and I thought for sure I would get this question answered. Bongino didn’t ask the question. I like Bongino and think he’s doing God’s work, but he’s a terrible interviewer.
Was a Factual Basis ever filed in this case? Is it sealed?
I really think the Flynn case can be the red pill for some soft-core lefties who are generally under-informed. It really exposes the whole nasty business of these goons by showing the terrible treatment of just one person who happened to disagree with President Obama.
But I need that one piece.
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:20 am to Jimbeaux
i think it was about speaking with the ambassador with the K name
also, what he lied about isn't important with respect to his plea, b/c no matter what the lie was, he admitted to it as part of the plea
whether he did lie or not has no importance after that
also, what he lied about isn't important with respect to his plea, b/c no matter what the lie was, he admitted to it as part of the plea
whether he did lie or not has no importance after that
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think it was about speaking with the ambassador with the K name
also, what he lied about isn't important with respect to his plea, b/c no matter what the lie was, he admitted to it as part of the plea
whether he did lie or not has no importance after that
I couldn’t disagree more. The details matter very much.
I’m actually surprised you would say that.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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what he lied about isn't important with respect to his plea, b/c no matter what the lie was, he admitted to it as part of the plea
Only because they basically held a gun to his family's head and said "If you don't agree to this, we will shoot them."
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:26 am to Jimbeaux
He didn't really lie. He didn't correctly recall the details of what he talked about with Kisliyak (I believe it was a bout their response to the Obama sanctions). The reason why the FBI knew he wasn't correct is because they already had the transcripts, so the whole reason they went to the WH to interview him was to entrap him.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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also, what he lied about isn't important with respect to his plea, b/c no matter what the lie was, he admitted to it as part of the plea
whether he did lie or not has no importance after that
You do realize that coerced pleas are meaningless don't you?
If they aren't meaningless why don't we equip the FBI with rubber hoses and get any God damned plea they want any time they want it?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:28 am to upgrayedd
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He didn't really lie. He didn't correctly recall the details of what he talked about with Kisliyak (I believe it was a bout their response to the Obama sanctions). The reason why the FBI knew he wasn't correct is because they already had the transcripts, so the whole reason they went to the WH to interview him was to entrap him.
See, this is what I’ve been hearing, but it only causes us to go in circles with the lefties (and SlowFlowPro).
What exactly was the OSTENSIBLE lie?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:28 am to Jimbeaux
He was accused of lying about talking about sanctions with Kislyak. Only problem is even the doctored 302 does not reference that they even asked Flynn whether he discussed sanctions with Kislyak. How could he lie to a question he wasn't asked? That's why they withheld all the Brady material from him and refused to produce the transcript of the call to him.
It should also be noted that Flynn disclosed to Strzok that he was sure they had a transcript of the call so they could review it. Why would he lie KNOWING they have a transcript of the call. He wouldn't and didn't. It is why they had to threaten to charge Junior with FARA violations when he was bankrupt and sold his house.
It should also be noted that Flynn disclosed to Strzok that he was sure they had a transcript of the call so they could review it. Why would he lie KNOWING they have a transcript of the call. He wouldn't and didn't. It is why they had to threaten to charge Junior with FARA violations when he was bankrupt and sold his house.
This post was edited on 5/22/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:28 am to upgrayedd
Bongino keeps hitting on a point that there was never any discussions of sanctions, just expulsion. So, he couldn't have lied about sanctions.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:29 am to Jimbeaux
That he talked to the Russian guy about sanctions.
However, the FBI summary, that we've seen, doesn't even mention sanctions.
Not to mention, the original interview 302 "can't be found".
However, the FBI summary, that we've seen, doesn't even mention sanctions.
Not to mention, the original interview 302 "can't be found".
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:30 am to Jimbeaux
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I couldn’t disagree more. The details matter very much.
they really do not
people plea/admit to things they're not guilty of, as part of a bigger plea deal, all the time
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I’m actually surprised you would say that.
why?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:31 am to SSpaniel
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Only because they basically held a gun to his family's head and said "If you don't agree to this, we will shoot them."
oh i agree with this. the CJ system is insane
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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they really do not
people plea/admit to things they're not guilty of, as part of a bigger plea deal, all the time
They generally don't do this when a material part of the plea is part of a secret side deal that is not disclosed counter to law.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:31 am to gthog61
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If they aren't meaningless why don't we equip the FBI with rubber hoses and get any God damned plea they want any time they want it?
that's basically how the FBI works
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
He wasn't reading your comment from the legal system procedural perspective.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:32 am to therick711
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They generally don't do this when a material part of the plea is part of a secret side deal that is not disclosed counter to law.
what secret side deal?
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:33 am to Jimbeaux
Comey and gang were spying on Flynn. To the point of every convo he was having was at their read-out via Obama's daily briefing and I believe 17 govt agencies.
They set up the fat Russian ambassador to call Flynn regarding Obama's sanctions on Russia. (after Obama let in the Russian spy to try to set up Junior at Trump Tower)
They are screaming perjury now at lawfare bloggers and hack Judge Sullivan because...
It was a perjury trap i e...Flynn said is instead of at in two testimonies-- and he is a liar.
The fat Russian ambassador asked about sanctions and Flynn may or may not have said something about them. Then Pence asked Flynn if Flynn told them sanctions would/could/should be eased. Flynn said not exactly or no he never outright said anything.
The Obama/Comey team painted Flynn talking to the fat Russian ambassador as a crime of being in bed with Putin itself. When it wasn't.
They twisted things to leak to WaPo and papers that Flynn lied when he didn't lie. On the inside they all said he didn't lie.
Then when this was weak; they tried to set up Trump by leaking phone calls with foreign countries. Then they also set up Trump in saying while a "Russian" or two was in the oval & Trump said some traitorous thing. (He didn't)
Bottom line Flynn had every right to talk to whoever he wanted he did nothing wrong. I myself wonder if Pence was in on this at the time? But that is another story.
They set up the fat Russian ambassador to call Flynn regarding Obama's sanctions on Russia. (after Obama let in the Russian spy to try to set up Junior at Trump Tower)
They are screaming perjury now at lawfare bloggers and hack Judge Sullivan because...
It was a perjury trap i e...Flynn said is instead of at in two testimonies-- and he is a liar.
The fat Russian ambassador asked about sanctions and Flynn may or may not have said something about them. Then Pence asked Flynn if Flynn told them sanctions would/could/should be eased. Flynn said not exactly or no he never outright said anything.
The Obama/Comey team painted Flynn talking to the fat Russian ambassador as a crime of being in bed with Putin itself. When it wasn't.
They twisted things to leak to WaPo and papers that Flynn lied when he didn't lie. On the inside they all said he didn't lie.
Then when this was weak; they tried to set up Trump by leaking phone calls with foreign countries. Then they also set up Trump in saying while a "Russian" or two was in the oval & Trump said some traitorous thing. (He didn't)
Bottom line Flynn had every right to talk to whoever he wanted he did nothing wrong. I myself wonder if Pence was in on this at the time? But that is another story.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:33 am to Jimbeaux
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See, this is what I’ve been hearing, but it only causes us to go in circles with the lefties (and SlowFlowPro).
What exactly was the OSTENSIBLE lie?
As I understand it, they asked him if he talked about sanctions and he said either "no" or "I don't think so" or something to that effect. I also understand he was on a beach in the Bahamas having some drinks when he made the call so that may explain why things are fuzzy. Regardless, Strozk's own notes even ask if the goal of the visit is to get the truth or to get him to lie, so we pretty much have a good idea of what their intentions were going in. Hell, Comey even admitted during a televised interview that he sent those people to Flynn because the Trump admin wasn't familiar with how these types of things worked. That pretty much puts him as a co-conspirator for that alone.
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:33 am to SlowFlowPro
Once you realize the fbi is essentially an apparatus for people in power to point at someone and say “jail them”, everything makes more sense
Posted on 5/22/20 at 9:34 am to Teddy Ruxpin
“It all depends,” is the answer to any legal question.
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