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re: Pastor Spell Under House Arrest with Ankle Monitor

Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:43 am to
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/26/20 at 12:43 am to

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He has a right and the governing infringed on that right .


Nope.

"A community has the right to protect itself against an epidimic of disease which threatens the safety of its members."
Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).


"The family itself is not beyond regulation in the public interest, as against a claim of religious liberty. And neither the rights of religion nor the rights of parenthood are beyond limitation…. The right to practice religion freely does not include the right to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill-health or death...."
Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)


Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17564 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 8:22 am to
So citing a law with a law to counter a right?


So many are so fearful.

BTW, his congregants don't have to attend if service is offered.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14940 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 9:32 am to
quote:

A community has the right to protect itself against an epidimic of disease which threatens the safety of its members."

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).

"The family itself is not beyond regulation in the public interest, as against a claim of religious liberty. And neither the rights of religion nor the rights of parenthood are beyond limitation…. The right to practice religion freely does not include the right to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill-health or death...."

Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)


That’s dangerous language. “Communicable disease”, “ill-health and “threatens the safety” covers everything, including the common cold. I don’t agree with the government giving itself power to strip my constitutional freedoms whenever it sees fit.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17564 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 10:34 am to
You really stretched her by quoting a passage from a justice to affirm his vote,
quote:

"The family itself is not beyond regulation in the public interest, as against a claim of religious liberty. And neither the rights of religion nor the rights of parenthood are beyond limitation…. The right to practice religion freely does not include the right to expose the community or the child to communicable disease or the latter to ill-health or death...."
Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944)


When this is what that case was about:

quote:

Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the government has broad authority to regulate the actions and treatment of children. Parental authority is not absolute and can be permissibly restricted if doing so is in the interests of a child's welfare. While children share many of the rights of adults, they face different potential harms from similar activities.

So I disregard your case as evidence contrary to the right to assemble and worship.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17564 posts
Posted on 4/26/20 at 10:40 am to
This case you cite has nothing to do with the rights to assemble and worship. It's a vaccine case.

quote:

Nope.

"A community has the right to protect itself against an epidimic of disease which threatens the safety of its members."
Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).


Zero to do with assembly. Here's the case summary:
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Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that the freedom of the individual must sometimes be subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the police power of the state.


You can argue case law in court to gain leverage for your position, but neither case you offered has any bearing on the right to assemble and worship.
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