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re: I’m surprised to see so many advocating for 15 year mortgages on here

Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:27 pm to
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4181 posts
Posted on 3/7/20 at 1:27 pm to
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Yeah, at my age, 55, I don't need to invest the additional, I would rather get the 15, pay on it till 62, and let my SS start paying my house payment at that point.


A common theme in a lot (most?) of the threads that attempt to show one debt vs. investment strategy always being superior to another is that the OPs tend not to understand the concept of risk adjusted returns, age appropriate investments or just the simple fact that not every poster is in the same life situation as every other poster.

This 8% (average - wink wink) return comes up again & again, simply because that's close to the historical return of the S&P 500. Nothing is typically said about the peak to trough drawdowns that the market has experienced during certain periods. And very few seem to understand the concepts of risk adjusted returns, or even what a Sharpe ratio is.

But say, in your case, if you were heavily invested in an S&P 500 fund, that likely would NOT be age appropriate - depending on your other retirement assets, of course. And the lower returns you'd be receiving from being in things like income funds, or just less risky investments, would most certainly be major factors in your 30 vs. 15 decision... in addition to the fact that you probably wouldn't want to be saddled with a mortgage when you're 85. It likely wouldn't make good sense for you to get a longer dated mortgage, at a higher interest rate, just so you could invest the lower payment delta into a lower yielding income security.

But for others, once they fully understand the concept of risk adjusted returns (in addition to this "opportunity cost" that they like to refer to), and have a handle on how long they'll actually be in the house and what age appropriate investments are yielding... the 30 yr. really may be the best decision.

Every situation is different. That's all I'm saying. Contrary to what's being suggested in the OP of this thread, there is no universally correct answer.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 3/7/20 at 3:41 pm to
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A common theme in a lot (most?) of the threads that attempt to show one debt vs. investment strategy always being superior to another is that the OPs tend not to understand the concept of risk adjusted returns, age appropriate investments or just the simple fact that not every poster is in the same life situation as every other poster.


Psychological factors have value, I have less anxiety knowing my home is paid for, that is worth something to me.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20638 posts
Posted on 3/7/20 at 3:59 pm to
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This 8% (average - wink wink) return comes up again & again


Let's also remember that mortgages are at historical low's right now. They are pretty incredible. If they were 5-8% or even more, this really wouldn't be a topic of conversation as I'm not sure anyone is choosing a 30 year at 6.5% instead of a 15 year at 6%.
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