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re: Why can every other first world country have healthcare for all?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:11 pm to SiloamHog
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:11 pm to SiloamHog
This is actually where I disagree with most conservatives.
I don't necessarily have a problem with figuring out a better health care system. I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.
Most likely everyone will disagree with that, and that's fine.
However, I also believe we should just start going down the list of federal agencies and we should disband damn near every one of them. Nearly every other "social program" we have is illegitimate.
I don't necessarily have a problem with figuring out a better health care system. I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.
Most likely everyone will disagree with that, and that's fine.
However, I also believe we should just start going down the list of federal agencies and we should disband damn near every one of them. Nearly every other "social program" we have is illegitimate.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:13 pm to BoarEd
Now your sounding like a Bernie bro
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:13 pm to BoarEd
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gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.
We vehemently disagree. I do not have a right to your labor. You have no right to mine.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:22 pm to BoarEd
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the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.
James Madison wrote the constitution. Why didn’t President Madison make it clear that “general welfare” meant medical care, and demand implementation of Madicare?
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:20 am to BoarEd
While I don’t believe in a universal wholesale healthcare model like the UK, I do believe in a system where Charity plays a large part in health care.
At a time, health care in this country was a mission of religious orders such as, Sisters, Baptists, Shriners, and Jesuits all worked towards healing. You can see this in the names of hospitals. Others were teaching facilities where the mission was education.
Then at some point the federal government got involved requiring changes. At some point, these places could no longer keep up with the rapidly changing health care scene, or they became fixated with becoming for profit ventures with a nonprofit status.
Also, the private health care system does play a part in this system too. As you cannot have just one system otherwise it gets overloaded and overwhelmed.
At a time, health care in this country was a mission of religious orders such as, Sisters, Baptists, Shriners, and Jesuits all worked towards healing. You can see this in the names of hospitals. Others were teaching facilities where the mission was education.
Then at some point the federal government got involved requiring changes. At some point, these places could no longer keep up with the rapidly changing health care scene, or they became fixated with becoming for profit ventures with a nonprofit status.
Also, the private health care system does play a part in this system too. As you cannot have just one system otherwise it gets overloaded and overwhelmed.
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 5:29 am
Posted on 2/20/20 at 5:37 am to BoarEd
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I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public.
Your belief is one thing and what is actually written in the Preamble are 2 different things:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
States providing the common defense and promoting the general welfare. It does not state providing general welfare. There are differences in the 2 words.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:00 am to BoarEd
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I don't necessarily have a problem with figuring out a better health care system. I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.
No, the word is “promote” the general welfare, not “provide for” the general welfare. That word makes all the difference in the world.
Posted on 2/20/20 at 7:03 am to BoarEd
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one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public.
No.
The constitution states that for the general welfare of the public, a limited amount of enumerated powers are granted to the federal government.
You’ve been lied to
Posted on 2/20/20 at 9:10 am to BoarEd
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the list of federal agencies and we should disband damn near every one of them. Nearly every other "social program" we have is illegitimate.
Why are they illegitimate?
Posted on 2/20/20 at 10:50 pm to BoarEd
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I believe that the Constitution only gave the federal government a handful of responsibilities and one of them was to provide for the general welfare of the public. In my opinion that can be read as medical care.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
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