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re: When did the CIA & the FBI become so inept?
Posted on 11/28/19 at 8:14 am to NPComb
Posted on 11/28/19 at 8:14 am to NPComb
The CIA has a pretty long track record of ineptness, or at least taking actions that resulted in horrible unintended consequences for the U.S., e.g. overthrowing Iran in the 50/s, Bay of Pigs, Guatemala, etc. I think they've done some fantastic work, but they have had more than their fair share of frickups for sure.
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Posted on 11/28/19 at 9:20 am to coolpapaboze
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The CIA has a pretty long track record of ineptness, or at least taking actions that resulted in horrible unintended consequences for the U.S., e.g. overthrowing Iran in the 50/s, Bay of Pigs, Guatemala, etc. I think they've done some fantastic work, but they have had more than their fair share of frickups for sure.
And let's not forget about Charlie's War that created the Taliban and AQ. Then there's the Arab Spring. Dead Ambassador in Libya, Syria but thank god that Al Sisi stepped up in Eygpt.
Posted on 11/28/19 at 12:29 pm to coolpapaboze
For the C.I.A., it's less ineptness and patriotism than an attitude that they have carte blanche to manipulate, even experiment on, those they perceive as vulnerable and expendable.
It's a special type of "character/psyche" who would consciously be a part of something like their MK-Ultra LSD Program/experiment that ran for 20 years, without regard to those nameless souls whose lives were ruined as a result of it.
And that Guatemala coup in the '50s they orchestrated, where they enlisted the services of the world's prime propagandist, Tavistock "staffer," and nephew of Freud - Edward Bernays - to craft and pound the narrative that Guatemala was "falling under Communist influence."
Bernays wrote a book - Engineering Consent -about his experience and success in manipulating that country.
It's supposedly been a favorite, even a blueprint, for effecting regime change.
They've been corrupt for a very long time.
It's a special type of "character/psyche" who would consciously be a part of something like their MK-Ultra LSD Program/experiment that ran for 20 years, without regard to those nameless souls whose lives were ruined as a result of it.
And that Guatemala coup in the '50s they orchestrated, where they enlisted the services of the world's prime propagandist, Tavistock "staffer," and nephew of Freud - Edward Bernays - to craft and pound the narrative that Guatemala was "falling under Communist influence."
Bernays wrote a book - Engineering Consent -about his experience and success in manipulating that country.
It's supposedly been a favorite, even a blueprint, for effecting regime change.
They've been corrupt for a very long time.
This post was edited on 11/28/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 11/28/19 at 4:22 pm to coolpapaboze
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The CIA has a pretty long track record of ineptness
There’s a history of the CIA that I’ve recommended many times - “Legacy of Ashes” by Tim Weiner. It does a good job of explaining how that organization has been a clusterfrick almost from its inception.
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