Why do the Q worshippers tell us to trust Wray?

I'm a moderate conservative, who wants a swamp draining as much as anybody.

Let's say 6 months from now that I'm having a conversation with a person that has years of brainwashing to adore their liberal, rock star politicians, who just so happened to have been arrested during early morning raids.

Would Stone's situation be a good example to use to help show that the doj/fbi weren't just being "racists"?

So shines a good deed in a weary world.

Cheers to you, mate.

That's a good post and I'll try to remember that.

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Cut them some fricking slack. They've spent 1000's of hours attempting to make the world a better place, for all of us

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By sitting at their computers doing absolutely nothing? They haven't made anything better. It's LARPing for Boomers.

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They might be a little annoying sometimes. They might jump to irrational conclusions sometimes. They might rely on crazy, baseless information sometimes.

But, guess what? The majority of those "worshippers" are doing it because they genuinely yearn for a better, safer, and more prosperous world for your children or my mother or the next poster's wife or husband.

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The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

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Because Q said “trust Wray”

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You can be sarcastic and dismissive, if I'm reading the tone of your post correctly, but you've got to admit that, generally speaking, whoever is posting as Q has done ok with calling his shots at the macro level.

I understand that they haven't been precise or necessarily correct with their specifics, but I'm sure that you can understand why that might be necessary in a situation such as this situation. I'm also sure that we can all agree that "disinformation is necessary" could absolutely be necessary but also awfully convenient, depending on the veracity of the poster.

Imagine, for a second, that we truly do have an insider, or group of insiders, releasing insider information to the general public. That's a scary situation, because one could very easily cross a legal line, and a group that "is changing the world," would look very hypocritical if they were breaking the law to stop the law breakers. They could also divulge information that might lead to added difficulty in the apprehension and prosecution of their targets. I'm not a huge fan of the perceived inaccuracies or missed next week booms, but I don't have any experience in taking down the most powerful, corrupt groups that have ever existed on this planet.

On the other hand, even if Q is a larp, is there really a lose? It could tend to paint portions of the right as conspiracy theory loons, but it's not THAT widespread at this moment, and I doubt it will explode into the mainstream unless Q truly is an insider and truly has a plan. It also could cause a lot of wasted time by groups of people that are an important pawn in the success of Donald Trump and the Republican party. But, these people are finding, reading, and distributing information through every imaginable alternative media avenue on the planet. This information is straight off PACER or a letter from a government committee straight from their site or pulled directly from a local clerk of court. This isn't bullshite information. Some of their personal conclusions might not be sound or might take huge logical leaps to reach, but the underlying information is generally good, and it is currently being published all over the world. Most of them aren't trained to research, and they aren't legal scholars, but they are interested and willing to try to learn well enough to get the information out.

Why might an insider, who is unable to divulge too much direct evidence or verifiable information, choose these types of people on 4 or 8ch? Can you imagine a plan that chose groups of lawyers for this part of the process? We need you lawyers to spend thousands of hours sourcing and distributing information, but we can't give you anything but weak, circumstantial evidence, which allows for plausible deniability, in order to convince you to do this for free. That wouldn't work very well.

So, they chose the group that spent 1000's of hours tracking a flag using stars and plane trails, and these people have been continuously honing their skills and doing what they can to source and distribute information, for the purpose of building a foundation for what might come. A foundation, whose stated purpose is to help mankind, as much as possible, when their world is turned upside down.

Yet, we ridicule them for wasting their own time. We ridicule them for having faith in what we see as an impossible feat. Why? It's not our time. We won't be ridiculed for their logical leaps. There really isn't a very detrimental side effect. So, why can't we let them be them.

And, if theyre right, theyve spent 1000's of hours helping get the world ready for a time that will exponentially increase all of our standard of living.

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Maybe.

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The premise of the thing is fricking retarded. The scenario of a military grade intelligence operation that is run on a barely functional imageboard, where the tripcode was hacked multiple times, is straight up beyond belief. Of all the ways you can verify identity on the internet, you choose tripcodes?

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Sensationalize much?

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No.

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But, what if we decided to make an attempt to change? What if we decided not to tear down humans, because we don't know what theyre going through or how our actions, or similar actions in the aggregate, will affect them? What if we chose to save those sarcastic, degrading jokes for only those that we love the most and only when we know that it won't have a negative affect?

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You think this is what Q is doing?

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Can you imagine a world where it was cool again to build up our fellow humans?

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When did this world exist? If you believe that human beings ever lived in a world where they "built up" their fellow humans, then I would suggest read a history book. How people act when they want power, when they have power, and when they are out of power is fairly well-established. I have no clue what world you are talking about where at one point humans didn't tear other people down.

You don't actually read their thread do you?

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What about 60% of a population making a concerted effort to be good to there fellow human. 70%?

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I'm skeptical that we've ever reached those levels in recorded human history. Humans evolved in social environments of 150-200 people. Outside of that social circle, we have to act in our self-interest, thus making it impossible to be "good" to that many people, in my view.

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Not everybody is cut-throat and willing to step on a human to get what they want.

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You don't have to be cut-throat to increase human suffering. Even though I'd argue human suffering is generally at its lowest point in recorded history due to the victories of this phase of market fundamentalism in alleviating poverty, we all are still involved in suffering, from the way the clothes we buy are made to the way our food is farmed.

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Enjoy your day. I hope you kick life's arse today.

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My life is great and isn't affected by what is said here, or said generally. I just don't see any positives in a movement like Q, which has taken on more cult-like tendencies over time, rather than being a "research movement." Read the book "When Prophecy Fails" to see the negative effects of groups which predict doomsday continually, and the coping mechanisms people who believe in those apocalyptic predictions develop. That each of the claims Q makes is falsifiable, as in specific enough that a real-world event can affirm or deny the prediction, makes the dissonance it could develop into a real pathological condition.

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By sitting at their computers doing absolutely nothing? They haven't made anything better. It's LARPing for Boomers.

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And if they did take action, people like yourself would call them out for acting impulsively and irrationally. It's just a no-win situation with some people.

The proper action at this time is to spread information and attempt to open some eyes, especially considering the power of the media and how few people actually pay attention to the world beyond their doorstep. Hell, almost half the country still believes the dem lies about Trump. If they were to even have protests at this point, the establishment media would spin it negatively which would only cause harm. They would be ridiculed beyond belief and turn off many people that might be open to the movement. Only when there is enough support can further action be taken.