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Let’s have a real, non-hyperbolic, talk about the defense
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:58 am
Posted on 11/17/19 at 10:58 am
Some of these topics are absurd. Worst front 7 in 25 years, Delpit is trash, Chaisson is trash, etc,
Look none of that is true. The defense was certainly abysmal last night and Delpit had one of the worst single game performances I’ve ever seen from a guy who is supposed to be one of our better defenders - but we’re also a week removed from one half of a road game shutting down an all time great CFB offense with 7 potential 1st rounders. So the sky isn’t falling but at the same time, there are serious issues.
Let’s start with the DL. It is what it is. They are really good against the run. Shelvin is a problem for offenses and can blow up run plays by himself. Lawrence and Logan are good at eating up blocks as well, and we have good depth with Fehoko and Ika. I know Chaisson isn’t a DL but he’s playing at the LOS enough to effectively be one. He has been an absolute force setting the edge against the run, last night he damned. On the flip side, we don’t have pass rushers. Chaisson is our best and frankly he isn’t getting it done there. We can’t rely on any of our defenders to win one on ones consistently in pass rush situations and will need to be creative with blitzes if we want pressure.
The LB core is good. Queen, Phillips, Clark all have been good IMO. We don’t have a game breaker there like Devin White, but not many teams do.
At DB, Stingley and Fulton make for one of the best CB tandems in LSU history. They have been the strongest and most consistent part of this defense. Nickel back is a glaring hole. Vincent has shown flashes at times, I think he’s our best chance to get some consistency there for this season - Flott or award just don’t appear ready. At Safety, Stevens is a great versatile piece. He will give up some plays in coverage, but he is also a playmaker. Delpit is great in coverage. On the flip side, his run support and tackling have been an F this season. I also think the injury is effecting him more than we know - there’s no other way to explain such a drastic decline from last year.
Overall, we’re gonna give up more points and yards than we’re used to seeing with LSU. Part of that is because of the above issues, part is because teams will play ultra aggressive against us to keep up with the offense. Our goal on defense should be big plays and critical stops. We might give up 400-500 yards but if we generate a few turnovers, some stops in critical moments - with our offense, that’s a success and what we should measure them by. And last night aside, they’ve pretty much done that all year long.
Look none of that is true. The defense was certainly abysmal last night and Delpit had one of the worst single game performances I’ve ever seen from a guy who is supposed to be one of our better defenders - but we’re also a week removed from one half of a road game shutting down an all time great CFB offense with 7 potential 1st rounders. So the sky isn’t falling but at the same time, there are serious issues.
Let’s start with the DL. It is what it is. They are really good against the run. Shelvin is a problem for offenses and can blow up run plays by himself. Lawrence and Logan are good at eating up blocks as well, and we have good depth with Fehoko and Ika. I know Chaisson isn’t a DL but he’s playing at the LOS enough to effectively be one. He has been an absolute force setting the edge against the run, last night he damned. On the flip side, we don’t have pass rushers. Chaisson is our best and frankly he isn’t getting it done there. We can’t rely on any of our defenders to win one on ones consistently in pass rush situations and will need to be creative with blitzes if we want pressure.
The LB core is good. Queen, Phillips, Clark all have been good IMO. We don’t have a game breaker there like Devin White, but not many teams do.
At DB, Stingley and Fulton make for one of the best CB tandems in LSU history. They have been the strongest and most consistent part of this defense. Nickel back is a glaring hole. Vincent has shown flashes at times, I think he’s our best chance to get some consistency there for this season - Flott or award just don’t appear ready. At Safety, Stevens is a great versatile piece. He will give up some plays in coverage, but he is also a playmaker. Delpit is great in coverage. On the flip side, his run support and tackling have been an F this season. I also think the injury is effecting him more than we know - there’s no other way to explain such a drastic decline from last year.
Overall, we’re gonna give up more points and yards than we’re used to seeing with LSU. Part of that is because of the above issues, part is because teams will play ultra aggressive against us to keep up with the offense. Our goal on defense should be big plays and critical stops. We might give up 400-500 yards but if we generate a few turnovers, some stops in critical moments - with our offense, that’s a success and what we should measure them by. And last night aside, they’ve pretty much done that all year long.
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:01 am to Tigerfan56
I think the issue is not from the neck-down but from the neck-up. Something is holding this Defense back. Is there a psychiatrist in the house??
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:01 am to Tigerfan56
Too many words... This defense is weak and we don’t have the talent to fix it.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:05 am to Tigerfan56
I agree with everything you said expect Delpit is not great in coverage. He is great playing near the LOS. Since we dont have a real FS he gets stuck back there by necessity.
Besides our DL not getting off blocks our biggest issue is not having a pure FS. Everyone hated John Battle last year and didn’t understand why Aranda kept playing him, but he was a smart player who saved us a lot of big plays.
Besides our DL not getting off blocks our biggest issue is not having a pure FS. Everyone hated John Battle last year and didn’t understand why Aranda kept playing him, but he was a smart player who saved us a lot of big plays.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:06 am to Tigerfan56
The important thing, imo, is making the critical and timely stops in a given game. That’s more important than bare statistics like yds gained.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:06 am to Tigerfan56
I think Flott has played pretty well for a true freshman, but I agree with most of what you said.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:10 am to Tigerfan56
Agree on many points. I think the defense lost focus when they jumped out to a big lead, did the same against Bama last week. Delpit is having issues with his ankle, you could see when he tried to make lateral moves last nite. There is still a huge problem with tackling and not wrapping up. I think that’s the biggest issue on this defense. I saw several whiffs on Plumlee but give him credit also. He s going to be an issue for several years. Tigers are still a fantastically talented team with a shot to win it all
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:17 am to Tigerfan56
The defense is really bad. Our offense is exceptionally great and that makes up for it. Without Joe we would not be 10-0.
It doesn’t hurt to put Aranda on the hot seat. He gets paid enough to handle it. We will need this defense to be much better next year.
It doesn’t hurt to put Aranda on the hot seat. He gets paid enough to handle it. We will need this defense to be much better next year.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:19 am to Tigerfan56
Everything is fixable. Blown assignments, poor tackling.
It's just a bit surprising it occurred in game 10.
Hopefully it was a wake up call.
It's just a bit surprising it occurred in game 10.
Hopefully it was a wake up call.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:22 am to Tigerfan56
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They are really good against the run.
They just gave up 400 yards of rushing. 200+ to an 18 year old QB who can’t throw the ball.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:58 am to Tigerfan56
DL Coach needs to seek employment elsewhere. LB Coach isnt much better.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 12:10 pm to Tigerfan56
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The defense was certainly abysmal IN THE SECOND HALF last night
And in the SECOND HALF last week.
People ready to shut everything down because the defense gives up more yardage than we're used to. The big plays by Ole Miss were just that - big plays. Sure it was record setting, which often happens when something is working and you're playing from behind. It isn't all out of proportion to what Ole Miss did to Alabama, for example, which is the "Gold Standard" of SEC programs for over a decade.
Injuries, focus, distractions, attrition - these are all issues with which this team is dealing.
You play...to win...the game. We won. 10-0. Get ready to get well against Arkansas. Efficient, mistake free football against a bad team is just what the doctor ordered to get ready for aTm and UGA.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:37 pm to Tigerfan56
You left out some very key points here.... injuries, we have 6 starters playing with injuries and our 2 best players who are closer to 50% than 100%. Delpit is playing on will alone, he can’t run, he can’t change directions and he can’t tackle. He’s out there basically to line people up and make calls. Lawrence is also a shell of himself, every 2-3 games he’ll flash his old self for a series or two but he is also out there on mostly heart alone. All 3 corners are nicked up as well, Stingley hasn’t been close to the same since taking those two hits vs Florida, Fulton has been incredible on 1 leg and Vincent hasn’t played a full quarter at a time in 3 weeks. It’s not just that our top 4 players are hurt but they’re our leaders as well. When a young kid sees a leader make an incredible play it can ignite that young players best self and lift his play but we’ve been robbed of that. The other point is I think you’ve overestimated our LB play, they’re an average group without a stand out player. Phillips and Clarke are good at taking on guards and moving forward vs the run but neither can run or cover very well. Queen looks like he’s got the talent but he takes bad angles mostly in coverage and has very poor tackling technique.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:49 pm to Tigerfan56
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The LB core
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:07 pm to Tigerfan56
It’s human nature to not go 100% every play on defense when up multiple scores and when you know your offense can score at will. It’s just the way it is. Enjoy the 21 point win.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:16 pm to Tigerfan56
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non-hyperbolic,
On this board, not going to happen. Not enough people on here know or understand the game to make educated, rational, well represented, non-hyperbolic statements. How many on here actually strapped on the pads on the HS varsity level? How many learned terms and techniques, scheme's, drills? From what I've seen on here, not many. So you will only get non-hyperbolic comments from a very small percentage. Let me add, you can still know and understand the game even if you never played. If you studied the game and learned. Just saying, most on here have not learned the game and didn't play the game. And some of those make the dumbest, most uneducated and insulting comments, simply because they have no idea wtf they are talking about.
That being said. This defense is young at certain positions, young and no depth, like CB. One veteran and the rest true freshmen. As good as Stingley is, he is still a true freshman and it shows at times. At other positions there's a lot of talent, like Dline, but not much quality depth. And that's a position you really need a solid 2 deep. LSU just doesn't have it. That hurts in the 2nd half when starters are getting weary and you bring in backups that are not nearly as good. same thing with the LBing group. You have some good starters, but after that there isn't a lot of depth. Especially now that Divinity is gone. You are forced to bring in a true freshman to start. There's a lot of talented LBer's, but you have one really good one and 2 or 3 good, but no great and not much depth. Safety is basically the same thing.
LSU just doesn't have the depth on defense to maintain a high level of play for 4 quarters.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:31 pm to Tigerfan56
Ole Miss is either 1st or 2nd in the SEC in explosive plays (20+ yards). This wasn’t some anomaly exposing LSU, they’ve been doing it to everyone this season.
Our defense has looked the best in close games (second half Florida, Auburn). The games where we’ve been relatively healthy and people complained about the defense (Texas, Bama, OM) we’ve gone into the half with 3 touchdown leads. While it might be problematic they appear to be getting lazy with large second half leads, they’ve still been turning it on when it matters.
Our defense has looked the best in close games (second half Florida, Auburn). The games where we’ve been relatively healthy and people complained about the defense (Texas, Bama, OM) we’ve gone into the half with 3 touchdown leads. While it might be problematic they appear to be getting lazy with large second half leads, they’ve still been turning it on when it matters.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:37 pm to Tigerfan56
Yes and no. LSU has beaten good teams but these same teams have continued to lose big games.
Can the D hold up if playing from behind against a top 4 school? Thats the debate about the D. With any of the other teams and you are absolutely right. Too much pressure on the opposing defenses and offenses, LSu just has too many highly skilled athletes in a 60 minute contest. But the other top 3 will have just as many and that includes Georgia in the SEC final.
Ive been a supporter like you all year, but Im not so sure anymore. It seems like whatever the opposing offenses do well, they do well against LSU. And that is not good defense.
Can the D hold up if playing from behind against a top 4 school? Thats the debate about the D. With any of the other teams and you are absolutely right. Too much pressure on the opposing defenses and offenses, LSu just has too many highly skilled athletes in a 60 minute contest. But the other top 3 will have just as many and that includes Georgia in the SEC final.
Ive been a supporter like you all year, but Im not so sure anymore. It seems like whatever the opposing offenses do well, they do well against LSU. And that is not good defense.
This post was edited on 11/18/19 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:51 pm to Tigerfan56
Weren’t we missing 2 DL and a safety last night?
The real issue is depth.
The real issue is depth.
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