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re: Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society

Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:34 am to
Posted by Azkiger
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Posted on 11/9/19 at 10:34 am to
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Those events happened in history for a specific purpose and there is no need for that any longer because the land was a means that God used to both physically separate His chosen people from the other nations...


It's interesting, you claimed that mass murder was rare yet there are so many instances of it one excuse can't cover all the instances.

David performed a peacetime census and God slaughtered 70,000 of "His chosen people" because of it. So mass murder wasn't just tied to the Hebrews fighting other pagan groups over land.

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...as well as a physical sign that God keeps His promises.


And if God chose, tomorrow, to continue with these "physical signs" that he keeps his promises you aren't in any position to complain or critique. You can keep saying "He won't, He won't!", but you're just a lump of clay who doesn't know God's plan like he does.

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So yes, I know that God wouldn’t command such things any longer because there is no reason for God to do so...


But you don't, though. You don't know that all of God's plans are highlighted in the Bible. Imagine how a Hebrew felt about God and their religion prior to Jesus and the supposed prophecy of Jesus. They'd be just as confident as you are now, yet things changed.

It's within your worldview that God can do whatever he wants. He's the author of life so he can take it. But, seeing where this discussion is going, you don't want to walk too far down that path because you understand that places you in the same boat as atheists.
This post was edited on 11/9/19 at 10:36 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/9/19 at 3:15 pm to
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It's interesting, you claimed that mass murder was rare yet there are so many instances of it one excuse can't cover all the instances.
I think you're mixing up some things here. I'm talking about God ordering humans to kill large numbers of other humans is a rare event in the Bible. God can strike dead as many as He wants, Himself, as He has the authority and right to do so.

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David performed a peacetime census and God slaughtered 70,000 of "His chosen people" because of it. So mass murder wasn't just tied to the Hebrews fighting other pagan groups over land.
Like I said, you're mixing up humans killing humans with God destroying sinners.

Yes, God judged Israel for rebelling against Him, and He used the sin of David to do it in the instance you provided, yet it was God, Himself, through an angel that God sent a pestilence that wiped out 70,000 people.

Like I said, God can do as He pleases with us. He can also use other people to judge those He sees fit, though it's only authorized in special instances and isn't normative, left to humans to judge for themselves.

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And if God chose, tomorrow, to continue with these "physical signs" that he keeps his promises you aren't in any position to complain or critique. You can keep saying "He won't, He won't!", but you're just a lump of clay who doesn't know God's plan like he does.
You're right that I wouldn't be in any position to complain against God who is morally pure and knows what is right, however I can certainly say that He won't command such a thing because, as I said, His revelation is complete and there is no more use for special signs or revelation from God for judgement or anything else. I'm not telling God what He can do, I'm telling you what God has revealed that He will and won't do through the scriptures.

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But you don't, though. You don't know that all of God's plans are highlighted in the Bible. Imagine how a Hebrew felt about God and their religion prior to Jesus and the supposed prophecy of Jesus. They'd be just as confident as you are now, yet things changed.
Not at all. See, the Jews were promised the Messiah, who was/is Jesus. Jesus was the fulfillment of all the old testament signs and shadows. He was the fulfillment of the sacrifices that were given to the Jews. There is no equivalent situation now to the OT Jews becuse they looked forward while we look back.

You seem to think there's more fulfillment that needs to be done that requires more revelation. God's plan is that--now that Christ has completed His mission on earth--the gospel will continue to be preached until all of God's elect are saved and Christ will return in Glory to judge the world. That's it, and that's enough by itself. The return of the King Jesus will result in more people being judged than any event in history, and that's the prerogative that lives with the only one with the authority to do that. We have no such authority to take lives unlawfully because people are made in God's image, not ours, and everyone belongs to Him.

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It's within your worldview that God can do whatever he wants. He's the author of life so he can take it. But, seeing where this discussion is going, you don't want to walk too far down that path because you understand that places you in the same boat as atheists.
You're wrong that God can do whatever He wants in my worldview. He's limited by His own holy and righteous character. God can't lie, for instance, nor can He cease to be God.

I'm certainly not in the same boat as the atheist and for many reasons. I have an objective basis for human dignity and worth. I have an objective basis for truth. I have an objective basis for morality and ethics. I have an objective basis to believe that tomorrow will be like today and that induction, mathematics, and logic are consistent and will not change. I've got an objective basis for meaning and obligation within this life. The atheist has none of that.
This post was edited on 11/9/19 at 11:06 pm
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