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re: One other common theme from the "Democratic" debates tonight
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:57 am to BlackPawnMartyr
Posted on 10/16/19 at 1:57 am to BlackPawnMartyr
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Any Yang fans in here? So ive heard him talk a few times. The most lengthily on JRE. I have yet to really hear him pressed, so not answered on how implementing universal income would affect this country once inflation was accounted for. Has this ever been answered? I just imagine all goods would just be increased therefore making the universal wage increase meaningless to actual net income. Im open to learning why im wrong just havent heard it answered yet. Thanks.
Supposedly it's getting funded with a national sales tax. If it truly did (doubtful) then obviously you wouldn't see price inflation, though in practice for the consumer there's not much difference between a sales tax or price inflation.
More to the point though, even if prices did go up (and they probably would, with or without a sales tax), some people are going to gain more than they lose in the exchange. The average American makes roughly $40,000 a year, so Yang's UBI would increase their income by 30%. Prices would have to increase 30% before they've lost out in real terms. If they only go up 10% (which would be quite the spike) then you're better off if your income went up 30%. Better to make $52,000 a year and have $33,000 in expenses than to make $40,000 a year and have $30,000 in expenses. For half the country the deal is even better, and you have to be spending quite a bit of money before it costs you unless the inflation is really high. For instance, if the spike were 10%, you'd need to be spending $120,000 a year for inflation to offset your $1,000 a month.
And I don't mean to say that's how it would actually play out. I have no idea how much inflation you'd actually see. Maybe you would see enough to offset any realistic gains for most people.
Further, Yang's made what was in my mind a ridiculous statement--that he would punish "white supremacists" and other double plus ungood thinkers by rendering them ineligible for UBI--which completely ruins the whole idea. Since inflation affects everyone, tying the force that's supposed to offset inflation to adherence to certain political views is odiously coercive.
All in all, I'm not big on it or him.
But that's the theory behind it. I don't think it's fundamentally unsound, which I did going into it. I do not trust the implementation at all though.
Posted on 10/16/19 at 2:14 am to Carl Tuckerson
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Further, Yang's made what was in my mind a ridiculous statement--that he would punish "white supremacists" and other double plus ungood thinkers by rendering them ineligible for UBI--which completely ruins the whole idea. Since inflation affects everyone, tying the force that's supposed to offset inflation to adherence to certain political views is odiously coercive
Fyi, I have looked at lot of Yang stuff amd havent seen anything like this. (I'd also be very surprised if that statement was correct, but would love to see it if so as it would change my mind). From my understanding it is to all citizens over 18 no questions asked unless they are actively serving a prison sentence.
He has said he is about bring people together - not left, not right, forward - so seeing that kind of coercive intent with UBI would be very disheartening.
This post was edited on 10/16/19 at 2:18 am
Posted on 10/16/19 at 3:57 am to Carl Tuckerson
Yang is a snake oil salesman and a con. (1) Who determines what and who a "white supremacist" is. Government and the wild lib living next door who alerts authorities she has some white male living next to her with a Trump or GOP sticker or who hunts with a big ole gun.
And the other crimes against humanity sins. The books would be full of them like the current Chinese system of ratting for dollars on people who put their garbage in the wrong can or speed 5 MPH. Or have loud parties. Even the lady who dresses too provocatively and causes someone's husband to pay her too much attention, etc. These people earn negative points and are treated like pariahs and second class citizens in their own country. And (2) What other crimes against the people would soon be on the books and what of "Lib supremacists or black supremacists or Asian supremacists. Thought crimes. The list would be endless and the party in charge would determine that. Yang is a misfit in a free society.
And the other crimes against humanity sins. The books would be full of them like the current Chinese system of ratting for dollars on people who put their garbage in the wrong can or speed 5 MPH. Or have loud parties. Even the lady who dresses too provocatively and causes someone's husband to pay her too much attention, etc. These people earn negative points and are treated like pariahs and second class citizens in their own country. And (2) What other crimes against the people would soon be on the books and what of "Lib supremacists or black supremacists or Asian supremacists. Thought crimes. The list would be endless and the party in charge would determine that. Yang is a misfit in a free society.
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