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re: Does the left really believe we can power the entire country on solar and wind?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:23 pm to billjamin
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:23 pm to billjamin
quote:Just so people understand. Most home systems are 5-12kW. So you’re looking at 5-10 hours of charging for every hour of drive time. From a rooftop typical rooftop system. And that’s full-power. Max efficiency daylight charging.
I know a guy with a 100kW system on his farm and he thinks it's small because he consumes a crap load of power. Size is relative to consumption
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:23 pm to billjamin
quote:It's not a "bad" thing. It just isn't a thing.
How am i a liberal exactly? Please explain to me how diversity in generation type and location is a bad thing?
If there are multiple comparable choices for generating energy, then, you use them.
If there aren't, and you still use them, that's called wasting efforts and human capital.
The only way this would be the case is if we had infinite human capital and resources to apply to the challenge.
But we don't.
First law of economics. Scarcity.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:25 pm to ShortyRob
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If there are multiple comparable choices for generating energy, then, you use them.
The problem is that you are just too naive to see that fossil fuels were given an edge even during times when it didn't make the most economic sense.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:26 pm to cahoots
quote:Cool story.
It was invented in the 40s. A lot of countries have since built out nuclear infrastructure. The US did not do so for a variety of reasons, giving fossil fuels an edge.
So, fossil fuels were VERY well established. By the way. The world's VERY FIRST Nuke plant started in 1954.
quote:Well. I always appreciate it when someone openly admits they're stupid. Thank you.
I would argue that an electric car charged by grid power from a nuclear plant is far more efficient than any fossil fuel combo. Cheaper too.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:27 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
It's not a "bad" thing. It just isn't a thing.
If there are multiple comparable choices for generating energy, then, you use them.
If there aren't, and you still use them, that's called wasting efforts and human capital.
The only way this would be the case is if we had infinite human capital and resources to apply to the challenge.
But we don't.
First law of economics. Scarcity.
Yeah i guess the largest banks and companies in the world need you to give them an econ lesson because the billions they're all throwing at this are a waste. You could kill it by going around schooling them on this.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:27 pm to cahoots
quote:It's always made the most economic sense and it still does.
The problem is that you are just too naive to see that fossil fuels were given an edge even during times when it didn't make the most economic sense.
The fact that you don't actually know anything about the subject and think wishful thinking qualifies as knowledge isn't my problem
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:29 pm to billjamin
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Yeah i guess the largest banks and companies in the world need you to give them an econ lesson because the billions they're all throwing at this are a waste.
Absolutely not.
I'm a huge fan of capitalism and risk taking.
But make no mistake. Most ideas they are throwing money at will fail spectacularly.
But, that's how it is SUPPOSED to work!
We absolutely WILL one day have a superior method of fueling our needs beyond just some special niches. That day just ain't today and it's multiple decades away.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:30 pm to cahoots
quote:Do you have any clue when the US electrified? It was before nuclear and solar even existed. Wind power was feckless to as the large turbines we see today weren’t feasible without modern... wait for it... plastic composite materials.
The problem is that you are just too naive to see that fossil fuels were given an edge even during times when it didn't make the most economic sense.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:31 pm to ShortyRob
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We absolutely WILL one day have a superior method of fueling our needs beyond just some special niches. That day just ain't today and it's multiple decades away.
You think we're multiple decades from electric cars being the norm?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:33 pm to ShortyRob
quote:And let’s be fair. Solar is only viable because of the ability use the “grid” for storage. As a lot of people are about to find out as net metering gets cut back, and folks get the wholesale rates.
If there are multiple comparable choices for generating energy, then, you use them.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:35 pm to Taxing Authority
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Wind power was feckless to as the large turbines we see today weren’t feasible without modern... wait for it... plastic composite materials
The frick you say!(how are plastics made? LOL)
Oh. And shhhhhh. Don't tell them what fuels the plants that they build wind turbines in........or...........that make the components........or........transports them.
Oh. And yeah. Producing all that material for all of those turbines? shite TONS OF CARBON EMISSIONS REQUIRED...........SPECTACULAR shite TONS of it!!!!
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:35 pm to cahoots
quote:Oh.......nooooooow you want to only focus on cars
You think we're multiple decades from electric cars being the norm?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:37 pm to ShortyRob
Everyone on this board will be LONG dead and fossil fuels will STILL be the source of the VAST MAJORITY of our energy needs...........or............we better start killing a LOT of people
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:40 pm to Taxing Authority
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Just so people understand. Most home systems are 5-12kW. So you’re looking at 5-10 hours of charging for every hour of drive time. From a rooftop typical rooftop system. And that’s full-power. Max efficiency daylight charging.
Correct on the size range but they're getting bigger. Average sizing i'm seeing is trending closer to 12kW as an average with many being much larger. Part of that is driven by module efficiency. The same footprint that got you 250W 3 years ago can get you 350W today with less degradation, panel level production and monitoring etc.
Regarding the EV charging, the Tesla model 3 uses 27kWh per 100 miles, While things are highly location specific, it wouldn't take 5-10 hours to get 100 miles of range (which is significantly more than an hour of driving).
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:43 pm to Taxing Authority
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And let’s be fair. Solar is only viable because of the ability use the “grid” for storage. As a lot of people are about to find out as net metering gets cut back, and folks get the wholesale rates.
Generalized statements like this are just false. It's too broad to say that. There are markets where even without NEM people save money without storage. Adding storage at the house is the best option, especially if they start messing with NEM pricing. Plus the batteries work great for power outages in disaster prone areas,
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:45 pm to ShortyRob
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Everyone on this board will be LONG dead and fossil fuels will STILL be the source of the VAST MAJORITY of our energy needs...........or............we better start killing a LOT of people
There are already entire countries that are powered by majority non fossil fuel sources! First world countries.
Entergy is building a solar plant in Louisiana and our bills are set to rise by, wait for it, $1.50! That moves the needle to 10% renewable.
Your projections are pants on head retarded and at odds with reality.
Electric cars aren't feasible but somehow my parking garage is full of electric cars!
Amazon just placed an order for 10,000 electric vans. 10,000!
This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
Just read the green new deal. It is dumb.
Didn't know there were this many idiots. Solar and wind will never work unless there is some kind of amazing invention to store the massive amounts of energy that would be needed during the down hours at night or non windy days.
I'm all for investment in cleaner and more efficient energy usage. we should probably move away from coal and into more natural gas. I'm all for advanced nuclear power research. Supposedly we can build them more efficiently and have less radioactive waste to deal with. Fusion is the next generation. It will do away with the need for all other types of energy.
Didn't know there were this many idiots. Solar and wind will never work unless there is some kind of amazing invention to store the massive amounts of energy that would be needed during the down hours at night or non windy days.
I'm all for investment in cleaner and more efficient energy usage. we should probably move away from coal and into more natural gas. I'm all for advanced nuclear power research. Supposedly we can build them more efficiently and have less radioactive waste to deal with. Fusion is the next generation. It will do away with the need for all other types of energy.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:49 pm to yatesdog38
I wonder how 30,000 cargo ships will be operated, how about the trucking industry?
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:49 pm to cahoots
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You think we're multiple decades from electric cars being the norm?
Oh, and by the way. For your education.
In 2018. 2.1% of new cars sold were plug in. That's cars SOLD!
Electric cars represent about 1/3 of 1 percent of all registered cars on the road today in the US. Worldwide, we're gonna need some more decimal places. LOL
And THAT is with the government subsidizing them because on their own, they're fricking expensive as hell!
Hell. We're more than a decade away, probably 2 from PERSONAL autos being majority electric in the most affluent nations.
And, that will STILL not be counting 18-wheelers, earth movers, etc etc.
And, to do that, we're gonna have to burn..............wait for it.......shite TONS OF FOSSIL FUELS to go get all the shite we need to make electric cars
Dumb arse
Yes. MULTIPLE DECADES from ANYTHING even THINKING about competing with Fossil in terms of output and efficiency.
Posted on 9/20/19 at 1:54 pm to cahoots
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There are already entire countries that are powered by majority non fossil fuel sources! First world countries.
No there aren't.
Good God.
And save your links. I've already looked at them. The level of pretzel required to make the claim is hilarious and of course, they are all niche as frick and you're counting nuclear which you couldn't pass for wide use in the world on a bet.
Your understanding of numbers is embarrassing.
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