re: 12 gumps on preseason all sec first team...such bs

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Really? Based on what exactly? Provide some numbers to support this.

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A simple look at who has the most players in the NFL, year in and year out, and how many of them are starters, and how many are all pro's, compared to Alabama. This is common knowledge. Where have you been?

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Sounds more like a narrative you’ve created

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Given my above statements, which are well known facts, it is not a narrative to say they are more about system. They have lots of talent, and I made a very clear point of not disputing that. But the difference between them and LSU, is not nearly as much about physical talent as it is about coaching. And no, that's not a bash on Orgeron statement. That fact is true for most coaches in America, when compared to Saban. It is what it is.

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Well actually they do, otherwise this thread would not have been started

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I'm clearly talking about them not actually having 12 players DESERVING of first team recognition, if LSU only has a couple. Because LSU's first and second team's can compare with anyone's in terms of talent. Alabama has guys making the POSTSEASON first team with like 40 something tackles at linebacker. It's just lazy media giving the top team all the accolades, because that's the "safe" thing to do.

But those guys, in a vacuum, without their system, don't amount to hat our players do at the next level.